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From: Stanislas de Kertanguy on 30 Jul 2006 07:30 Terry Richards avait soumis l'ide : > [1] Actually, they do connect with another computer when they are serviced > but that is a dedicated stand-alone device also running trusted code and not > connected to any other computer. There is a theoretical infection path > here - from the Internet to the developer's computer, to the code for the > service machine, to the service machine, to the injection controller, but > that would have to be one smart virus! Actually, it is possible to re-flash the EP-ROM of many injection calculators, especially those in newer diesel engines ; with "third-party" code that promise more power. Who knows what is included in this code ! Most insurers will not cover you if they discover after a crash that the code was changed ... -- remplacez "lesptt" par "laposte" pour me joindre substitute "laposte" for "lesptt" to reach me
From: LDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate on 30 Jul 2006 09:53 Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Padraig Breathnach writes: > > > That's a wild claim, and I don't believe it. If you have a college > > education, you received instruction from people whose credentials are > > very much in the foreground. Is it invariably the case that they don't > > know what they are talking about? > > Yes. People who know what they are talking about ... talk about it. That's typically arrogant. There's ample evidence that you often don't know what you're talking about, but it doesn't stop you. As an example in a long list of them, you never go further to elucidate your stoopid musical theories. What's that proverb about he who knows not, yet doesn't know that he knows not again... -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
From: LDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate on 30 Jul 2006 09:59 Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:53:11 +0100, > this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote: > > > >That's typically arrogant. There's ample evidence that you often don't > >know what you're talking about, but it doesn't stop you. As an example > >in a long list of them, you never go further to elucidate your stoopid > >musical theories. What's that proverb about he who knows not, yet > >doesn't know that he knows not again... > > Empty vassals make most tones? Good one! -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
From: Stanislas de Kertanguy on 30 Jul 2006 10:24 Martin avait soumis l'ide : > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:30:59 +0200, Stanislas de Kertanguy > <stanislas.dekertanguy(a)lesptt.net> wrote: > >> Terry Richards avait soumis l'ide : >>> [1] Actually, they do connect with another computer when they are serviced >>> but that is a dedicated stand-alone device also running trusted code and >>> not connected to any other computer. There is a theoretical infection path >>> here - from the Internet to the developer's computer, to the code for the >>> service machine, to the service machine, to the injection controller, but >>> that would have to be one smart virus! >> >> Actually, it is possible to re-flash the EP-ROM of many injection >> calculators, especially those in newer diesel engines ; with >> "third-party" code that promise more power. Who knows what is included >> in this code ! >> >> Most insurers will not cover you if they discover after a crash that >> the code was changed ... > > Do you know which operating system do injector controllers run? I'm not in any way into IT and computers, but I doubt that the notion of "operating system" applies for a computer such as those which control injection. As far as I know, it's just simple code flashed onto an EP-ROM, in a binary form. There are no programs to execute or files to read. As Jim said, there are certainly strong "barriers" to prevent "foreign" and unwanted code to run and possibly jeopardize the behavior of the injectors. Does the notion of a virus apply there ? I'm not sure. -- remplacez "lesptt" par "laposte" pour me joindre substitute "laposte" for "lesptt" to reach me
From: Stanislas de Kertanguy on 30 Jul 2006 10:48
Il se trouve que Martin a formul : >> Does the notion of a virus apply there ? I'm not sure. > > The discussion was about which OSs were most common before it got side > tracked. Guess who is responsible ! :-) Maybe Mxsmanic only drove carburettor cars ? -- remplacez "lesptt" par "laposte" pour me joindre substitute "laposte" for "lesptt" to reach me |