From: Hatunen on
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:58:09 +0100,
this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

>Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:11:53 +0100,
>> this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Everyone says teachers ought to get more,
>> >> but no one wants to foot the bill.
>> >
>> >I don't. I think teachers are on the whole quite well paid, in both the
>> >US and the UK. I can think of ways of making things better for teachers
>> >(it can be a very stressful job) but pay isn't one of them. In many
>> >cases School teachers in the UK now earn more than University lecturers
>> >(or US assistant/associate professor for many institutions.)
>>
>> Most work longer hours.
>
>Yes, true, but lecturers are expected to do other things (research) too,
>and they don't usually have other jobs. BTW, I also tend to think that
>lecturers are well paid too, but it's not as high an earner as it was a
>few decades ago.

Teacher have to do other things as well in the USA. Which would
you rather do, chaperone a high school dance or putter around in
a laboratory?

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:38 +0100,
this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

>Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:58:09 +0100,
>> this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:11:53 +0100,
>> >> this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Everyone says teachers ought to get more,
>> >> >> but no one wants to foot the bill.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't. I think teachers are on the whole quite well paid, in both the
>> >> >US and the UK. I can think of ways of making things better for teachers
>> >> >(it can be a very stressful job) but pay isn't one of them. In many
>> >> >cases School teachers in the UK now earn more than University lecturers
>> >> >(or US assistant/associate professor for many institutions.)
>> >>
>> >> Most work longer hours.
>> >
>> >Yes, true, but lecturers are expected to do other things (research) too,
>> >and they don't usually have other jobs. BTW, I also tend to think that
>> >lecturers are well paid too, but it's not as high an earner as it was a
>> >few decades ago.
>>
>> Judging from the number of hours some of my son's lecturers worked
>> they could have easily hold down jobs in three or four universities at
>> the same time. Perhaps they do.
>
>Most of the full-time lecturers I know work full-time, pretty much. I
>know some _professors_ who seem to have an easy time of it though,
>particularly in the US. (At Harvard, a few of the full professors were
>only in the department one or two days a week, and the rest of the time
>were off working at other things.)

A typical public school teacher in the USA works a school year of
about 180 days, at least six hours a day in the school and
whatever hours after school hours are needed to make up tests and
grade homework. They are also called upon to serve on activities
like lunch patrol, athletic game patrol and dance chaperoning.
They may also do elective activities, e.g., my first wif, who
sponsored the cheerleaders and songleader at her high school and
had to spend extra hours at practices. She also had to attend all
the games at which the cheerleaders and sonleaders performed; the
games were in the evening.

Teachers don't get paid extra for any of these non-teaching
activities.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:10:34 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:45:35 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
><deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:36:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>>deansgate writes:
>>>
>>>> If they did it here in r.t.e. they'd be treated the same way as Mixi.
>>>
>>>r.t.e. means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
>>
>>What does? Science? Power? Nine points and a good kebab?
>
>Nine pints, shirley?

Don't call me surely.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:47:19 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> On 8 Aug 2006 08:21:44 -0700, jeremyrh.geo(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Douwe Egberts vending machines also produce a reasonably good
>> >> beverages.
>> >
>> >You've been here too long, Martin.
>>
>> There's much worse on offer.
>>
>> A simple minded Dutch kid has started a petition to have a Starbucks
>> located in NL.
>>
>> >
>> >The "drinks" machine at work, after dispensing some liquid into a cup,
>> >says "take your product out". I suspect they risked legal action if
>> >they referred to it as coffee.
>>
>> Better than a French drink machine that dispensed soup, coffee,
>> coloured water and tea through the same pipe AND expected you to
>> provide your own cup. Many visitors got hot liquid down their legs and
>> that was long before gRunt.
>
>
>Sounds like those tanker trucks that distributed kvass on town streets in
>the old USSR...people all drank from the same communal cup!

I tried some of that stuff in Russia. The guide book said it tasted
like Coke, or ginger beer or something.

Even after 17 beers it tasted like a Russian had predigested it.
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From: Dave Frightens Me on
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:22:10 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:21:33 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
><deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:10:34 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:45:35 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
>>><deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:36:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>>>>deansgate writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If they did it here in r.t.e. they'd be treated the same way as Mixi.
>>>>>
>>>>>r.t.e. means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
>>>>
>>>>What does? Science? Power? Nine points and a good kebab?
>>>
>>>Nine pints, shirley?
>>
>>I was putting on a nothern accent.
>
>I thought you had been at the Lidl's strong stuff.

Pint me tward horm.
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