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From: Babie on 4 Aug 2008 09:56 "Jean O'Boyle" wrote >> I really can't. Heck the training the COPS get, say don't just go >> running headlong into a situation. If you do, the chances are good all >> you do is add to the casualty count. All you do if you get hurt is make >> it that much harder for the first responders to do their job when they >> get there. >> > I just could not stand by and abandon someone who was in trouble, Kurt..I > could not live with myself if I did. > Put yourself in the victim's place and see how helpless they are. One of > my sons is a police officer and I am sure he would not want me to put > myself in harm's way, but I still feel that I must do something when > another human being is being harmed. Sometimes the perp does not think > anyone will react and is counting on it. > > --Jean > As quoted above your post, Jean, Kurt mentioned waiting for the police to arrive.... that could take 30 minutes or more! What kinda damage could a violent person do in that amount of time... Heck, think about the Virginia Tech shootings. The cops got there and did nothing for what... 20 minutes after they arrived? Had a couple unshot students or that coward dean (I think that's what he was) done *something* they may not have saved any or not many lives, but they could have stopped the killer from killing himself and gotten the punishment he deserved. Suicide was way to much of an "easy out" And none of the victims' families and friends had any closer... LES! -- To email me privately, please remove YOUR CLOTHES CruiseAddict(a)gmail.comYOURCLOTHES If you experience.... .... lasting more than 4 hours... .... ALERT THE MEDIA!!!!
From: Kurt Ullman on 4 Aug 2008 10:10 In article <2_OdnUXKXNgLlwrVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d(a)comcast.com>, "Babie" <cruiseaddict(a)gmail.comYOURCLOTHES> wrote: > As quoted above your post, Jean, Kurt mentioned waiting for the police to > arrive.... that could take 30 minutes or more! What kinda damage could a > violent person do in that amount of time... Heck, think about the Virginia > Tech shootings. The cops got there and did nothing for what... 20 minutes > after they arrived? Had a couple unshot students or that coward dean (I > think that's what he was) done *something* they may not have saved any or > not many lives, but they could have stopped the killer from killing himself > and gotten the punishment he deserved. Suicide was way to much of an "easy > out" And none of the victims' families and friends had any closer... > IIRC there were two deaths early on in VT that were people who tried to help. In Colombine, the same thing. The ones that helped the most were the ones who ran taking others along with them. The ones who called to let the authorities know where they were and where the perps were. I don't know how, if the people were not in a position to save lives, they could have stopped the person from shooting themselves. The cops did quite a lot after their arrival. They surveyed the situation, tried to locate where the shooter was, tried to identify where there were still possible targets away from the shooter and how to get them to safety. How many people were with the shooter and where they were located in a relation to the shooter (I wonder what your outlook on the cops would have been if they just went and started shooting the place up either causing the perp to bring things to an end or resulting in friendly fire casualties). I have worked grief counseling for 15 years now and I have yet to see anyone in real life have closure. It is a nice 25 cent concept. Death is death and you only learn to live with grief, there is no time when it closes. If anything, I see the argument where trials and such just manage to remove the emotional scab that forms and makes them relive the event. No studies I have seen indicate any differences in things like PTSD in survivors if the perp got the chair instead of eating his gun.
From: Jean O'Boyle on 4 Aug 2008 14:10 "Babie" <cruiseaddict(a)gmail.comYOURCLOTHES> wrote in message news:2_OdnUXKXNgLlwrVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > > "Jean O'Boyle" wrote > >>> I really can't. Heck the training the COPS get, say don't just go >>> running headlong into a situation. If you do, the chances are good all >>> you do is add to the casualty count. All you do if you get hurt is make >>> it that much harder for the first responders to do their job when they >>> get there. >>> >> I just could not stand by and abandon someone who was in trouble, Kurt..I >> could not live with myself if I did. >> Put yourself in the victim's place and see how helpless they are. One of >> my sons is a police officer and I am sure he would not want me to put >> myself in harm's way, but I still feel that I must do something when >> another human being is being harmed. Sometimes the perp does not think >> anyone will react and is counting on it. >> >> --Jean >> > > As quoted above your post, Jean, Kurt mentioned waiting for the police to > arrive.... that could take 30 minutes or more! What kinda damage could a > violent person do in that amount of time... Heck, think about the Virginia > Tech shootings. The cops got there and did nothing for what... 20 minutes > after they arrived? Had a couple unshot students or that coward dean (I > think that's what he was) done *something* they may not have saved any or > not many lives, but they could have stopped the killer from killing > himself and gotten the punishment he deserved. Suicide was way to much of > an "easy out" And none of the victims' families and friends had any > closer... Les, you are not the only one on this NG that feels the same way. Those who spout otherwise (I'm not talking about you, Kurt) have not been in the OR to see the victims come in or in a shelter where there are abused women who are suffering trauma no one can imagine. Some abused while others stood by and watched and did nothing...I have seen both. That is all I have to say on this matter...The word like Becca said is "Humanity" and people being responsible and caring for each other. --Jean
From: Surfer E2468 on 4 Aug 2008 17:20 Know of a case where a husband was beating up his wife(my sister-in-law) when we tried to stop him ,his wife shouted leave him alone he's my husband. Will never interfere again. < cruise lover>
From: Marsha on 4 Aug 2008 20:20
James wrote: > >>As an RN who worked the psychiatric wing for over a year and a half, I am >>very well aware how traumatized everyone had to be on that bus.> --Jean > > Now I remember you! Nurse Ratched--Oregon State Hospital. You killed > Mcmurphy. > > No, it was the butler in the library with the candlestick. Marsha/Ohio |