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From: Erick T. Barkhuis on 8 Jan 2010 06:26 Tim C.: >On 8 Jan 2010 11:12:02 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : ><news:7qoi82F91rU1(a)mid.individual.net> : > >> That's called a "H�rtefall" in Germany, and regulations to prevent >>that from happening are in place. > >But the poor man will be at the limit of his existence, I don't believe this. The poor man has a car, remember? -- Erick
From: Tim C. on 8 Jan 2010 06:38 On 8 Jan 2010 11:26:03 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : <news:7qoj2bFduaU1(a)mid.individual.net> : > Tim C.: > >>On 8 Jan 2010 11:12:02 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : >><news:7qoi82F91rU1(a)mid.individual.net> : >> >>> That's called a "H�rtefall" in Germany, and regulations to prevent >>>that from happening are in place. And the social stigma that involves in claiming that clause should not be underestimated. >>But the poor man will be at the limit of his existence, > > I don't believe this. The poor man has a car, remember? Because you have a car doesn't mean you are well-off. The loss of which might ruin him. A rich man will not have this problem. I'm arguing that a fixed fine or loss of licence hits the poor man harder than the rich man. A fine based on income - or some value of "wealth" would not be perfect, but would be fairer, or at least more "balanced". I disagree that 3 moths without a licence is a similar discomfort to both rich and poor. -- Tim C.
From: Tim C. on 8 Jan 2010 07:04 On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:56:11 +0100, Martin wrote in post : <news:h87ek51skhqf05119j2ejfnpl9eedbko8a(a)4ax.com> : > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:38:50 +0100, "Tim C." <spamtrap(a)tele2.at> wrote: > >>On 8 Jan 2010 11:26:03 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : >><news:7qoj2bFduaU1(a)mid.individual.net> : >> >>> Tim C.: >>> >>>>On 8 Jan 2010 11:12:02 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : >>>><news:7qoi82F91rU1(a)mid.individual.net> : >>>> >>>>> That's called a "H�rtefall" in Germany, and regulations to prevent >>>>>that from happening are in place. >> >>And the social stigma that involves in claiming that clause should not be >>underestimated. >> >>>>But the poor man will be at the limit of his existence, >>> >>> I don't believe this. The poor man has a car, remember? >> >>Because you have a car doesn't mean you are well-off. The loss of which >>might ruin him. A rich man will not have this problem. >> >>I'm arguing that a fixed fine or loss of licence hits the poor man harder >>than the rich man. A fine based on income - or some value of "wealth" would >>not be perfect, but would be fairer, or at least more "balanced". I >>disagree that 3 moths without a licence is a similar discomfort to both >>rich and poor. > > 3 moths from your wallet? :o) Doh! Well, they don't have driving licences anyway. I suspect the loss of their pilot's licence would hit them harder. -- Tim C.
From: Tim C. on 8 Jan 2010 07:11 On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:16:21 +0100, Martin wrote in post : <news:ef8ek595ev1s2pjus1ala7tmob291bkvn7(a)4ax.com> : > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:04:09 +0100, "Tim C." <spamtrap(a)tele2.at> wrote: > >>On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:56:11 +0100, Martin wrote in post : >><news:h87ek51skhqf05119j2ejfnpl9eedbko8a(a)4ax.com> : >> >>> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:38:50 +0100, "Tim C." <spamtrap(a)tele2.at> wrote: >>> >>>>On 8 Jan 2010 11:26:03 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : >>>><news:7qoj2bFduaU1(a)mid.individual.net> : >>>> >>>>> Tim C.: >>>>> >>>>>>On 8 Jan 2010 11:12:02 GMT, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote in post : >>>>>><news:7qoi82F91rU1(a)mid.individual.net> : >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's called a "H�rtefall" in Germany, and regulations to prevent >>>>>>>that from happening are in place. >>>> >>>>And the social stigma that involves in claiming that clause should not be >>>>underestimated. >>>> >>>>>>But the poor man will be at the limit of his existence, >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe this. The poor man has a car, remember? >>>> >>>>Because you have a car doesn't mean you are well-off. The loss of which >>>>might ruin him. A rich man will not have this problem. >>>> >>>>I'm arguing that a fixed fine or loss of licence hits the poor man harder >>>>than the rich man. A fine based on income - or some value of "wealth" would >>>>not be perfect, but would be fairer, or at least more "balanced". I >>>>disagree that 3 moths without a licence is a similar discomfort to both >>>>rich and poor. >>> >>> 3 moths from your wallet? :o) >> >>Doh! >>Well, they don't have driving licences anyway. I suspect the loss of their >>pilot's licence would hit them harder. > > worse than having a fatal attraction to candles? Occupational hazard of being a moth. I'm not sure how we can stop them from flying too fast on motorways though. -- Tim C.
From: Erick T. Barkhuis on 8 Jan 2010 07:23 Tim C.: >On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:56:11 +0100, Martin wrote in post : ><news:h87ek51skhqf05119j2ejfnpl9eedbko8a(a)4ax.com> : >> 3 moths from your wallet? :o) > >Doh! >Well, they don't have driving licences anyway. I suspect the loss of >their pilot's licence would hit them harder. They don't have a licence? Then how was the rich man speeding?
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