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From: D Ball on 24 May 2010 21:29 > Not off subject at all. Original post was about foreign money both on > and off the ship and about tipping. Likewise, let's us not forget about > the ship sponsored shore excursions as far as tipping is concerned. Do > you want to go by the country policy you're in, or the ship policy you > just mentioned? There is a lot more to this than just thinking we are > honoring the country we are in. I've seen the same thing happen on > Catalina Island, part of Los Angeles County. > > John > John, you do realize that when you cruise internationally with Princess and other "US-based" lines, the cruise line's chosen shore excursion operators are not, in my experience, US-based operators, but are foreign tour companies who have gained favor with the cruise line? While I am sure that those local operators are understanding of the multi-national cruise line passengers' tipping practices based on pax country-of-origin, the fact is, if a fellow pax fails to follow your suit of extending American-style tipping but chooses to tip in line with that country's standard custom with regard to the extension of gratuities, then that fellow pax is not per se a "cheap" individual. (This discussion does not take into account the fact that tipping--in any country--is an entirely subjective exercise. Branding someone as "cheap" devalues their opinion as to the quality of the service received.) If you used foreign money for anything on a Princess ship, then it was you who removed the Princess auto-tips and extended foreign monies as gratuities. I totally do not follow your reference to Catalina Island. What currency other than USD did you--who I assume is a US citizen--try to use there? -- Diana Ball Austin, TX
From: John Sisker on 24 May 2010 22:25 "D Ball" <diana(a)removespamball.net> wrote in message news:860nghF4f5U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Not off subject at all. Original post was about foreign money both on >> and off the ship and about tipping. Likewise, let's us not forget about >> the ship sponsored shore excursions as far as tipping is concerned. Do >> you want to go by the country policy you're in, or the ship policy you >> just mentioned? There is a lot more to this than just thinking we are >> honoring the country we are in. I've seen the same thing happen on >> Catalina Island, part of Los Angeles County. >> >> John >> > > John, you do realize that when you cruise internationally with Princess > and other "US-based" lines, the cruise line's chosen shore excursion > operators are not, in my experience, US-based operators, but are foreign > tour companies who have gained favor with the cruise line? While I am sure > that those local operators are understanding of the multi-national cruise > line passengers' tipping practices based on pax country-of-origin, the > fact is, if a fellow pax fails to follow your suit of extending > American-style tipping but chooses to tip in line with that country's > standard custom with regard to the extension of gratuities, then that > fellow pax is not per se a "cheap" individual. (This discussion does not > take into account the fact that tipping--in any country--is an entirely > subjective exercise. Branding someone as "cheap" devalues their opinion as > to the quality of the service received.) > > If you used foreign money for anything on a Princess ship, then it was you > who removed the Princess auto-tips and extended foreign monies as > gratuities. > > I totally do not follow your reference to Catalina Island. What currency > other than USD did you--who I assume is a US citizen--try to use there? > > -- > Diana Ball > Austin, TX Diana, Don't mind any type discussion or even a debate, even if we don't agree on everything. That's part of what this newsgroup is suppose to be about. First of all, I never remove the cruise lines auto tips, if anyway, we sometimes slip a person or two something extra if we feel their service was exceptionable. Likewise, sorry if I was not clear enough in my analogy of using Catalina Island as an example. What I was simply referring to is, we have seen many people short-change when it comes to tipping, and no foreign customs are involved here. In fact, Deborah's original occupation was in restaurants and hotels, before becoming an ESL teacher. Does the term D & D mean anything to you? So, it's not just the cruise industry, related shore excursions, or what have you, today people seem to be more tight-fisted than even just a few years ago. It is one thing to try to follow and honor a countries local customs, but it does seem that in many cases, that is not really one's bottom line when it comes to tipping. John Sisker Huntington Beach, California
From: D Ball on 24 May 2010 23:22 > Diana, > > Don't mind any type discussion or even a debate, even if we don't agree > on everything. That's part of what this newsgroup is suppose to be > about. First of all, I never remove the cruise lines auto tips, if > anyway, we sometimes slip a person or two something extra if we feel > their service was exceptionable. Likewise, sorry if I was not clear > enough in my analogy of using Catalina Island as an example. What I was > simply referring to is, we have seen many people short-change when it > comes to tipping, and no foreign customs are involved here. In fact, > Deborah's original occupation was in restaurants and hotels, before > becoming an ESL teacher. Does the term D & D mean anything to you? So, > it's not just the cruise industry, related shore excursions, or what > have you, today people seem to be more tight-fisted than even just a few > years ago. It is one thing to try to follow and honor a countries local > customs, but it does seem that in many cases, that is not really one's > bottom line when it comes to tipping. > > John Sisker > Huntington Beach, California > I have no idea what "D & D" is, but I waited my way through higher education. Needless to say, I tip generously, yet thoughtfully when it comes to non-US practice. I commend your reply, John, as you stuck to the subject. -- Diana Ball Austin, TX
From: gmbeasley on 25 May 2010 09:13 On Mon, 24 May 2010 22:22:12 -0500, D Ball <diana(a)removespamball.net> wrote: >> Does the term D & D mean anything to you? So, >> it's not just the cruise industry, related shore excursions, or what >> have you, today people seem to be more tight-fisted than even just a few >> years ago. It is one thing to try to follow and honor a countries local >> customs, but it does seem that in many cases, that is not really one's >> bottom line when it comes to tipping. > >I have no idea what "D & D" is, but I waited my way through higher >education. Needless to say, I tip generously, yet thoughtfully when it >comes to non-US practice. I've tried to think of what D&D would mean in this context but the only thing I can come up with is either Dungeons and Dragons or Drunk and Disorderly, neither of which seem to apply. What definition am I missing? Dumb and Dumber? In restaurants in the US, we are generous tippers unless the restaurant puts an automatic tip on the bill. In that case we do not give more. Even when the service isn't that good, Bob always wants to tip generously. The same on the cruise ship - we don't take the auto-tips off and we do usually give some extra to room stewards or in the case of fixed dining to the waiters. We didn't give the room steward anything extra on last cruise because we didn't think he was that good, but the waiters were really good so they got a good bit extra. The same goes for tours. If the tour guide is good, we give them a tip. If we feel that the guide is indifferent or is giving out wrong information, we give little or nothing. I'm less apt to tip big if the guide is vigorous about asking for a tip. That just irritates me. If I arrange a non-ship tour in a port usually the arrangements include the expected tip. In those cases, I will tip the guide 15-20% of the cost of the tour. In a foreign port, I do usually tip with US$ but in Russia, I also gave the guide all my extra rubles. Note: This is in addition to the regular tip in $$US - not instead of it. I wouldn't JUST give the guide a bunch of coins that I knew I couldn't exchange unless I had a whole lot of them and the guide was rotten.
From: John Sisker on 25 May 2010 11:06
"D Ball" <diana(a)removespamball.net> wrote in message news:860u4iF4f5U2(a)mid.individual.net... >> Diana, >> >> Don't mind any type discussion or even a debate, even if we don't agree >> on everything. That's part of what this newsgroup is suppose to be >> about. First of all, I never remove the cruise lines auto tips, if >> anyway, we sometimes slip a person or two something extra if we feel >> their service was exceptionable. Likewise, sorry if I was not clear >> enough in my analogy of using Catalina Island as an example. What I was >> simply referring to is, we have seen many people short-change when it >> comes to tipping, and no foreign customs are involved here. In fact, >> Deborah's original occupation was in restaurants and hotels, before >> becoming an ESL teacher. Does the term D & D mean anything to you? So, >> it's not just the cruise industry, related shore excursions, or what >> have you, today people seem to be more tight-fisted than even just a few >> years ago. It is one thing to try to follow and honor a countries local >> customs, but it does seem that in many cases, that is not really one's >> bottom line when it comes to tipping. >> >> John Sisker >> Huntington Beach, California >> > > I have no idea what "D & D" is, but I waited my way through higher > education. Needless to say, I tip generously, yet thoughtfully when it > comes to non-US practice. > > I commend your reply, John, as you stuck to the subject. > -- > Diana Ball > Austin, TX Diana, D & D means dine and dash. One has the meal, but splits before paying the bill. As for tipping in a foreign country, then I'm not sure how I now feel about the cap driver in Copenhagen. The day before, we took a cap from our hotel, the Radisson Blu, to the start of the walking street. The cost was 89 Danish Kroners. The very next day we took another cap from the same hotel to the very same location. However, this cap driver seemed to take a much longer route, and at the end our fare was 109 Danish Kroners. Obviously, he was playing us for a sucker. I paid the bill but left no tip. I wasn't about to add insult to injury. Yet, based on our conservation, maybe it didn't matter anyway. John Sisker - Huntington Beach, California |