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From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate on 25 Sep 2006 18:45 Dave Smith <adavid.smith(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and > deansgate" wrote: > > > > > Most of the time, only if they have to. You must live in a different > > reality to the one > > My reality is that for the last 20 years at least there have been madated > non smoking areas that accounted for at least 75% of the the inside of > the premises, for the last 5 years smoking was only allowed inside if > there was a separate toom with its own ventilation, and this year no > smoking indoors at all, and not even outside it it is permanently covered. Which is a different reality to most of Europe. I wasn't talking about travelling in Canada. > > I do. In restaurants in Europe, unless there is a > > rule to the contrary, you can expect smokers to light up next to you, > > and in my experience the only ones that have ever asked me if I minded > > were the ones I knew personally. Most of the time, I have little choice > > but to put up with someone at the adjoining table spoilng the enjoyment > > of my food. > > When I stepped into this it certainly looked like you were talking about > smokers outside. I mentioned that too. So? > It never fails to amaze me that people will sit outside, right next to a > road and all the gasoline and diesel fumes and then whine about > cigarettes. I don't like those fumes either. I don't get your point really, unless where you live, all the outdoor seating areas are located on traffic islands? > Personally, I find gas and and diesel fume a lot less tolerable than > tobacco, Me too. > which sometimes actually smells pretty good. I always loathe the smell of it. > almost good enough to make me want to try it. > > > > In England, I won't enter a restaurant unless it as a non-smoking > > section, but even then, I'm more inclined now to choose completely > > non-smoking, as I've bad experiences in restos with supposedly separated > > sections. > > Good. Then stick to non smoking restaurants and let the smokers enjoy > themselves. It makes it easier to have a ban, and it makes more sense, seeing as most people don't smoke. Alernatively, I suppose you could always have some weird rule that a quarter of places could allow smoking. > The only thing that prevents bar owners from banning tobacco is that most > of their customers smoke, and I think that they should be entitled to > cater to the people who pay their way. They'll still go to the bar if they can't smoke. [] > > There's also the possibility that it really bothered him. > > I find that hard to believe. His hissy fit started the moment he saw the > person lighting up...in the smoking area on the far side of the > restaurant, and it was a big enough restaurant that it was far enough away > that it should not have bothered him. I couldn't smell it. My wife, who > had never smoked in her life, could not smell it. So maybe he imagined it. I don't really care. [] > > I object to smoke because I don't like it- don't like it in a really big > > way. > > I don't like it either. That contradicts what you wrote above- i.e. you thought tobacco "sometimes actually smells pretty good." > That is why I don't smoke. But I accept that some people do. And I don't > go out of my way to take offence at it. Objecting to someone's smoke bothering you is not necessarily the same as going out of one's way to take offence at it. Indeed, I've got better things to do with my time than take offence at things which don't bother me. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on 25 Sep 2006 19:46 David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate wrote: > James Silverton <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote: > > [] > >>You can get what the French call English bread for toast etc. > > > At least at the Parisian cafe we breakfasted in on Saturday morning, it > was called "special organic" bread or something like that. :) It was > perfectly fine, but not unlike a slice of wholewheat bread I'd expect > from one of the better loafs from Tesco. :) > > However, boiled egg with _soldiers_, that was something I hadn't had > since I was a child! :) Huh? Translation, please - for the benfit of us ignorant Americans who've never encountered that particular delicacy? >
From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate on 25 Sep 2006 20:11 EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city > south and > deansgate wrote: > > > James Silverton <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote: > > > > [] > > > >>You can get what the French call English bread for toast etc. > > > > > > At least at the Parisian cafe we breakfasted in on Saturday morning, it > > was called "special organic" bread or something like that. :) It was > > perfectly fine, but not unlike a slice of wholewheat bread I'd expect > > from one of the better loafs from Tesco. :) > > > > However, boiled egg with _soldiers_, that was something I hadn't had > > since I was a child! :) > > Huh? Translation, please - for the benfit of us ignorant > Americans who've never encountered that particular delicacy? Read further down! :) What do you call them where you're from? -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
From: Ian Burton on 25 Sep 2006 23:20 "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate" <this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1hm8z8p.rycicjb4dshiN%this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk... > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city >> south and >> deansgate wrote: >> >> > James Silverton <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote: >> > >> > [] >> > >> >>You can get what the French call English bread for toast etc. >> > >> > >> > At least at the Parisian cafe we breakfasted in on Saturday morning, it >> > was called "special organic" bread or something like that. :) It was >> > perfectly fine, but not unlike a slice of wholewheat bread I'd expect >> > from one of the better loafs from Tesco. :) >> > >> > However, boiled egg with _soldiers_, that was something I hadn't had >> > since I was a child! :) >> >> Huh? Translation, please - for the benfit of us ignorant >> Americans who've never encountered that particular delicacy? > > Read further down! :) What do you call them where you're from? I've never come across these soldiers in the US. I'm even more surprised I've never heard my close friends in Yorkshire mention them. -- Ian Burton (Please reply to the Newsgroup) > > -- > David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net > usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk > http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
From: dgs on 26 Sep 2006 00:19
B Vaughan wrote: > [...] Another patron yelled at them to put out > the cigarettes and informed them that the law forbids smoking within > 10 feet of the doorway. (I didn't know that.) Smokers in Italy may be > more stigmatized than in the US. In Washington state, the law forbids smoking within 25 feet of any doorway or open window. All restaurants, taverns, and bars are non-smoking by law. -- dgs |