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From: Giovanni Drogo on 28 Sep 2006 11:13 On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, it was written: > ??>> been ambiguous first names like Hilary or Carol. > I know the currently most famous Hilary is the Senator but I have known > Hilarys of both sexes My feeling were based on the fact that in italian the equivalent name (Ilaria) is feminine (well known since the famous Ilaria del Carretto whose tomb is in Lucca, and kicking and alive among contemporary girls). There is currently no full equivalent masculine name (Ilario), I mean never met or heard of one, except in a place name (S.Ilario near Genova). There was a name Ilarione (cast on greek Hylarion, I known there is an archbishop in Middle East carrying such name) but the only person with such name I knew was a "poliglotta" (so says the street plate) of about 5 centuries ago (there is a via Ilarione Rancati near where I live). > I had a well-known male colleague in my scientific field called Carol. Was he of anglo-saxon origin or maybe polish or from somewhere else ? Pope John Paul II was "al secolo" Karol Wojtyla, but with a K. There is something funny with the name because the original German name Karl (-> Charles) has been rendered in Latin as "Carolus" (all the inscriptions about S.Carlo Borromeo for instance), but in italian is Carlo. On the other hand it has at least three female equivalents (Carla, Carlotta and Carolina). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam(a)mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so.
From: B Vaughan on 28 Sep 2006 11:31 On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:33 +0200, Giovanni Drogo <drogo(a)rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote: >My feeling were based on the fact that in italian the equivalent name >(Ilaria) is feminine (well known since the famous Ilaria del Carretto >whose tomb is in Lucca, and kicking and alive among contemporary girls). >There is currently no full equivalent masculine name (Ilario), I mean >never met or heard of one, except in a place name (S.Ilario near >Genova). That's odd; we have a neighbor named Ilario. I didn't know it was an unusual name. >There was a name Ilarione (cast on greek Hylarion, I known there is an >archbishop in Middle East carrying such name) but the only person with >such name I knew was a "poliglotta" (so says the street plate) of about >5 centuries ago (there is a via Ilarione Rancati near where I live). -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
From: B Vaughan on 28 Sep 2006 11:31 On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:59:14 +0200, Giovanni Drogo <drogo(a)rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, B Vaughan wrote: > >> The Italian salutation "Egregio Signore" used to startle me, mainly >> because "egregious" in English isn't very complimentary. > > Nowadays it is not so used, maybe in a very formal context, otherwise > replaced by "Gentile signore" (kind, which has the advantage that one > can write "Gentile signore/a") or even "Caro" (dear). Most of the letters that pass through my husband's studio have "Egregio" as the salutation. I think even advertising that arrives at our house uses it. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
From: James Silverton on 28 Sep 2006 12:11 "Giovanni Drogo" <drogo(a)rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0609281700390.4255(a)cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg... > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, it was written: > >> ??>> been ambiguous first names like Hilary or Carol. > >> I know the currently most famous Hilary is the Senator but I >> have known >> Hilarys of both sexes > > My feeling were based on the fact that in italian the > equivalent name > (Ilaria) is feminine (well known since the famous Ilaria del > Carretto > whose tomb is in Lucca, and kicking and alive among > contemporary girls). > There is currently no full equivalent masculine name (Ilario), > I mean > never met or heard of one, except in a place name (S.Ilario > near > Genova). > > There was a name Ilarione (cast on greek Hylarion, I known > there is an > archbishop in Middle East carrying such name) but the only > person with > such name I knew was a "poliglotta" (so says the street plate) > of about > 5 centuries ago (there is a via Ilarione Rancati near where I > live). > >> I had a well-known male colleague in my scientific field >> called Carol. > > Was he of anglo-saxon origin or maybe polish or from somewhere > else ? > > Pope John Paul II was "al secolo" Karol Wojtyla, but with a K. > > There is something funny with the name because the original > German name > Karl (-> Charles) has been rendered in Latin as "Carolus" (all > the > inscriptions about S.Carlo Borromeo for instance), but in > italian is > Carlo. On the other hand it has at least three female > equivalents > (Carla, Carlotta and Carolina). Very interesting! I like your note about John Paul but my colleague has an Anglo-Saxon surname but that may only mean he is as big a mongrel as myself or my kids! -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland
From: Frank F. Matthews on 28 Sep 2006 12:26
B Vaughan wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:11:31 -0500, erilar > <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > >>You put water and tea bags in a glass jar and set it in the sun for >>several hours. You can add other things to the jar as well, or use >>flavored tea. Any transparent jar will work(I've used a large former >>peanut butter jar) but some people have to have special ones. > > > I've never seen the point of "sun tea". It takes hours to make the tea > and the result is mediocre. There's no way to get decent tea without > boiling water. In an Arizona summer any alternative to additional heating of the kitchen is viewed as valuable. |