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From: poldy on 30 Sep 2006 00:45 In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609250946510.11906(a)cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>, Giovanni Drogo <drogo(a)rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote: > The first course (primo piatto, or simply primo) can be pasta, rice, > (polenta,) or a soup (minestra). All those things are eaten without > bread and without side dishes (some British colleagues once served > lasagne with a salad, and are probably still remembering my blank > stare). > > The second course (secondo piatto, pietanza, or simply secondo) can be > meat or fish served with some vegetables as side dishes, and is eaten > with bread. > > Of course one may want to stay light, so tpically at lunch one may skip > primo (more often) or secondo (seldom). It is not uncommon at all to > announce that even in a restaurant ('prendo solo il primo', I take only > the first course). THose conventions are thrown out the window in many Italian restaurants in the US. There, you have pasta dishes with meat which can be meals in themselves. I've not seen contorni like those served in Italy. But one thing I like about American restaurants is big salad dishes with chicken or things like shrimp or salmon which can serve as relatively light meal. This isn't just in American Italian restaurants but everywhere. You get more than just greens and different dressing choices than simply oil and vinegar. A few times, in some meals in Italy, there have been pastas with unconventional sauces. Not tomato or cheese based or not as heavy in tomatoes or cheeses. Would have liked to had more of it but those were just primi.
From: poldy on 30 Sep 2006 00:48 In article <24ndh29klai9v9kpl8u60u290svucrg0fg(a)4ax.com>, Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote: > >Atkins not translated into Italian? > > God I hope not! It's not achieved a great deal in the USA, as they're > still all getting fatter. > > Someone should tell them that food's a pleasure, not a reward. Actually, Atkins or his estate probably made a fair amount of money. Besides the book sale proceeds, they marketed a line of low-carb foods and snacks. Yes Americans are still fat but I think that's more due to portions and exercise habits than the diet. Coincident with the Atkins craze was the popularity of steak house chains, places where you could have a big $100 steak meal.
From: Giovanni Drogo on 2 Oct 2006 04:24 On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, poldy wrote: > > Blue pen mistake ! You were getting one "paninO" (singular). Or two (or > > more) "paninI" (plural). Of course "imbottito/i" (filled). > They always serve them with two slices of bread in the US. Argh ! Nobody will really consider a thing like that here, unless toasted. > So it should technically be plural if it's suppose to be referring to > the bread instead of the whole sandwich? No, because the real panino (imbottito) we make here is made taking ONE piece of bread, say a small loaf (and technically THIS is the panino : michetta, rosetta, ciabattina), cutting it in two parts (but it remains one object cut in two) and filling it with salame, ham, meat, cheese, etc. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam(a)mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so.
From: poldy on 8 Oct 2006 17:53 In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610021020360.18496(a)cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>, Giovanni Drogo <drogo(a)rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote: > Argh ! Nobody will really consider a thing like that here, unless > toasted. It is toasted.
From: Giovanni Drogo on 9 Oct 2006 06:20
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006, poldy wrote: > > Argh ! Nobody will really consider a thing like that here, unless > > toasted. > > It is toasted. Fully toasted or just slightly heated until it gets crispy ? In the first case (sliced bread, toasted) it is what we call here a "tost" or "tosto" (corruption from "toast"). Not a panino. In the second case, it is a somewhat recent usage in bars and autogrills to warm up also real panini. You order and they may ask "glielo scaldo ?" (do I heat it up for you). Of course you'd never heat a panino you carry with you in a packet lunch. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam(a)mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. |