Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
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From: flaviaR on 12 Dec 2006 11:58 On 12-Dec-2006, "Anarcissie" <anarcissie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It would help if Christians would acknowledge that the > Christmas tree is non-Christian. They OLNLY do this when someone complains about them forcing their religion on everyone. In which case I usually answre "Okay, stop forcing paganism on me." They don't really like that, either. > Alternatively, they could > go on believing that it is right for them to impose their > religion on everyone else, as they have in the past, but > be more open about it: 'Here's a Christmas tree in your > face, because we have the power to put it there." They're not stupid enough to do that anymore. Susan
From: Al Klein on 12 Dec 2006 13:08 On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:32:00 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Christmas is a secular holiday in the United States. That's a nice lie, but it doesn't fly in the face of Christian campaigns like "Jesus is the reason for the season" and "put the Christ back into Christmas". You can't have it both ways. -- rukbat at optonline dot net I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter- nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist- ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. - Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan. (random sig, produced by SigChanger)
From: Paul Bramscher on 12 Dec 2006 15:18 Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:18:32 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote: > >> The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas ornaments removed, >> but he wanted representation of his religion a this public facility. >> >> That request was denied, even though the last Supreme Court case on the >> subject agreed with the Rabbi. >> >> The fact that the airport management took down the Christmas ornaments >> leads me to believe that they knew they were in violation of that ruling >> . Why didn't they simply allow the Menorah to be displayed? Could it be >> they are anti-semitic > > It was a good, grandstanding way of getting what they wanted. I understand > that the trees are coming back. > > I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments > rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something > really absurd like airport security... Actually, spending tax money on airport security is the modern equivalent of spending tax money to build a lighthouse network on the Great Lakes -- largely for the benefit of the steel companies. Sure, we all benefit from increased safety. But since the lanes (whether sea or air) are plied by very top-heavy for-profit industries -- isn't there something fishy going on when such an industry offloads the least profitable aspect of its operation expenses to the taxpayer? It's worse than either capitalism (supposedly "free market") or communism (in which the public would also own the airline). Rather, it's an advanced form of despotism, fascism, whatever you want to call it, in which people are forced to pay for what is part of a for-profit private service. Like building stadiums.
From: Anarcissie on 12 Dec 2006 18:22 flaviaR(a)verizon.net wrote: > On 12-Dec-2006, "Anarcissie" <anarcissie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > It would help if Christians would acknowledge that the > > Christmas tree is non-Christian. > > They OLNLY do this when someone complains about them > forcing their religion on everyone. > In which case I usually answre "Okay, stop forcing paganism on me." > They don't really like that, either. > > > Alternatively, they could > > go on believing that it is right for them to impose their > > religion on everyone else, as they have in the past, but > > be more open about it: 'Here's a Christmas tree in your > > face, because we have the power to put it there." > > They're not stupid enough to do that anymore. They do it; they just don't say it. I think it is funny the way Christians talk about a "war against Christmas" when in fact Christmas is a Christian war against everybody else.
From: James A. Donald on 12 Dec 2006 18:49
Mike Hunt > The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas > ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his > religion a this public facility. Christmas is a universal celebration, heavily celebrated by pagans such as Chinese and Japanese. It is intended to be universal - the slogan being "peace on earth and goodwill to all men", not "Peace between Christians while we make war on everyone else" Whenever someone wishes you "happy holidays" he is implicitly claiming that Christmas is "Peace between Christians while we make war on everyone else", which if the recipient happens to be a Christian, is an insult. When someone launches a lawsuit, he is definitely claiming that Christmas is "Peace between Christians while we make war on everyone else" There is no possibility of a peaceable end to such a lawsuit. If they give him everything he demands, there will be long queue of people making similar demands, concede and you will be knee deep in litigation. The wiccans will demand a giant phallus. The only escape from being summoned before the courts is to chop down every Christmas tree. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |