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From: nfolkert on 3 Jan 2007 04:39 flaviaR(a)verizon.net wrote: > On 22-Dec-2006, "Constantinople" <constantinopoli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > folkert(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > flaviaR(a)verizon.net wrote: [...] > > > > I have plenty of Xian relatives and never once has any of them > > > > ever called easter Passover!! > > > > Your post is the first time I have ever even heard of such a thing. > > > > > > Is the first language of your Christian relatives Spanish, French, > > > Russian, Portuguese, or Italian? If so, what do they call these > > > holidays in their first language? > > > > There is no world outside of the English-speaking US. Despite this, I > > hallucinate that some relatives of mine, including Mom, call Easter > > "pascua". > > Interesting how this is the first anyone's been hearing of it.... Just because it is the first time *you* have heard of it does not mean that it is the first time *anyone* has heard of it. You are more than welcome to verify for yourself that Spanish speakers have been referring to Easter and Passover by the same word, "pascua", since well before this was brought to your attention. - Nate
From: PTravel on 3 Jan 2007 04:47 "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message news:2obmp21kam6lqqhc8j0ilm2sfsfba1sqlv(a)4ax.com... > "Sancho Panza" >> > > A creche and a menorah are religious symbols. An >> > > Xmas tree is not. > >> > One person's opinon. Nothing more. > > flaviaR(a)verizon.net >> Certainly not the government's opinion > > The court's opinion, expressed in case after case, cases > I have repeatedly cited, is that a creche and a menorah > are religious symbols and a Xmas tree is not. Except that your citations were 100% completely wrong. Try reading the cases before you cite them. > > -- > ---------------------- > We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because > of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this > right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. > > http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: flaviaR on 3 Jan 2007 05:53 On 3-Jan-2007, "PTravel" <ptravel(a)travelersvideo.com> wrote: > "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message > news:2obmp21kam6lqqhc8j0ilm2sfsfba1sqlv(a)4ax.com... > > "Sancho Panza" > >> > > A creche and a menorah are religious symbols. An > >> > > Xmas tree is not. > > > >> > One person's opinon. Nothing more. > > > > flaviaR(a)verizon.net > >> Certainly not the government's opinion > > > > The court's opinion, expressed in case after case, cases > > I have repeatedly cited, is that a creche and a menorah > > are religious symbols and a Xmas tree is not. > > Except that your citations were 100% completely wrong. Try reading the > cases before you cite them. Yes, I know what Ive read, and it's the opposite of what he's written. I also disagree with the courts, of course, but that's a different story. However, I can tell quite clearly why the decision was made. Susan
From: James A. Donald on 3 Jan 2007 19:49 James A. Donald: > > The court's opinion, expressed in case after case, > > cases I have repeatedly cited, is that a creche and > > a menorah are religious symbols and a Xmas tree is > > not. PTravel wrote: > Except that your citations were 100% completely wrong. > Try reading the cases before you cite them. http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/985021.txt : : This appeal concerns the constitutionality of : : two Jersey City "holiday" displays. The : : first, which featured a menorah and a : : Christmas tree, was annually placed in front : : of City Hall for several decades. : : : : [...] : : : : Justice Blackmun .... noted that the tallest : : object in the display, the tree, is a secular : : symbol [...] : : : : [...] : : : : Justice O'Connor concluded .... "By : : accompanying its display of a Christmas tree : : -- a secular symbol of the Christmas holiday : : season ..." http://vls.law.vill.edu/locator/3d/Jan1997/97a1490p.txt : : [...] Other than this tree, the creche and : : menorah displays were unaccompanied by any : : other traditional secular symbols of the : : holiday season. [...] : : : : Later in his opinion Justice Blackmun [...] : : conclusion was based largely on the fact that : : he considered the Christmas tree to be a : : secular symbol due to the fact that "many : : Americans place Christmas trees in their : : homes without subscribing to Christian : : religious beliefs."
From: Al Klein on 6 Jan 2007 00:40
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:22:23 +1000, James A. Donald <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote: >"Sancho Panza" >> > > A creche and a menorah are religious symbols. An >> > > Xmas tree is not. > >> > One person's opinon. Nothing more. > >flaviaR(a)verizon.net >> Certainly not the government's opinion > >The court's opinion, expressed in case after case, cases >I have repeatedly cited, is that a creche and a menorah >are religious symbols and a Xmas tree is not. It's also their opinion that torturing a prisoner isn't torture. The court has lost a lot of credibility in recent years. |