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From: Charles on 23 Nov 2009 08:57
In article <hed2re$amp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Jean O'Boyle
<job1930(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seriously, I believe you about the atrocious food on her and
> wonder if that particular itinerary had anything to do with it.

As far as the salad greens were concerned there was something wrong
with either the provisioning or the storage onboard that sailing of the
Crown Princess.

Other differences possibly can be attributed to the head chef. I know
that there was a change over on our sailing to Norway because the hotel
director mentioned it claiming the head chef we had was better than the
one he replaced. He said the previous one had great presentation but
this one had better preparation. I did not think much of the
preparation though. The crab legs is a good example. On the SGC sailing
the crab legs were really good. On the Norway sailing they were
botched.

> On our Canadian/New England cruise on the Constellation last month,
> we had very good food, service and the mood of the cruise personnel
> was upbeat....yet Charles tells me that the crew was SO glad to go to
> the Caribbean after that cruise. We disembarked in Port Liberty and
> Charles embarked the Constellation that same day. The crew never
> complained or acted as if they were unhappy the entire 14 days in
> NE/Canada...

It would be more accurate to say that the crew was happy to be getting
to the Caribbean and some warm weather, not that they were unhappy on
your sailing.

--
Charles
From: Charles on 23 Nov 2009 09:01
In article <4b0a2974$0$31263$607ed4bc(a)cv.net>, Tom K
<tkanitra(a)optonline.net> wrote:

> Other evenings it came without dressing, and a plate of dressings
> never showed up.

That was an issue with the assistant waiter. I think too many tables.
The assistants seemed to be serving more tables than the waiter. And
there seemed to be some kind of teaming up with the assistants.

--
Charles
From: peter on 23 Nov 2009 09:20
Charles wrote:
> In article <4b09fa81$0$5008$607ed4bc(a)cv.net>, Tom K
> <tkanitra(a)optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> We're looking at a major disconnect... either there was significant
>> improvement, or maybe we have major differences in our expectations.
>
> Read Gadget World's posts over the years. They are usually a
> disconnect. That is what he does.
>
For the time being comments from both Jean and Sue substantially support
GW's positive review, as does Cruisecritic:

"Service was excellent in both dining rooms. Food, too, was generally
very good, and mostly focused on predictable basics (short ribs for
lunch, roasted tom turkey for dinner), but there were occasional and
always pleasant surprises (the rabbit ragout and frogs legs were
excellent!)."

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/reviews/princess/crown.cfm


Note that - according to this comment from cruisemates.com - Princess
adjusts its cuisine to the region its ship is sailing. Could it be the
chef was trying Norwegian food and failed or you just don't like that
kind of food?

"Unlike many cruise lines, Princess does not have an executive chef
designing the recipes for the entire fleet. Each ship has its own
executive chef who is responsible for the menu creation. This means
cuisine is more tailored the region the ship is cruising, a nice touch.
It also gives the chef the ability to change food selection according to
passenger response. In talking to the executive chef on board, we were
told that the best food is served in the open seating restaurants
(though the menus are identical in all three main dining rooms) because
of the ability to cook food as it is ordered, rather than according to a
pre-determined time schedule."

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/reviews/princess/crown.cfm





From: Borked Psuedo Mailed on 23 Nov 2009 10:21
Charles wrote:
> In article <4b09fa81$0$5008$607ed4bc(a)cv.net>, Tom K
> <tkanitra(a)optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> We're looking at a major disconnect... either there was significant
>> improvement, or maybe we have major differences in our expectations.
>
> Read Gadget World's posts over the years. They are usually a
> disconnect. That is what he does.
>

When rtcCharles finds something to complain about, he's accurately
reporting the facts. But when someone ELSE finds something to complain
about that Charles doesn't agree with, he or she is labeled a troll, or
suffering from dementia or a total disconnect from reality.

Call it the 'rtcCharles effect'.
From: Charles on 23 Nov 2009 10:42
In article <hee5mn$8vl$1(a)aioe.org>, peter <peter26(a)stockton.com> wrote:

> For the time being comments from both Jean and Sue substantially support
> GW's positive review, as does Cruisecritic:
>
> "Service was excellent in both dining rooms. Food, too, was generally
> very good, and mostly focused on predictable basics (short ribs for
> lunch, roasted tom turkey for dinner), but there were occasional and
> always pleasant surprises (the rabbit ragout and frogs legs were
> excellent!)."

I am stick by my opinion of Jerry. I won't count what he posts because
of what he has posted in the past just like I don't count your posts
for much. Both of you are pieces of work.

The food on my first cruise on Crown Princess was good and the service
was great. The middle cruise was middling but I did not think it was as
bad as Tom or some others in our group thought it was. Things started
out bad, it was bad the first night and that was difficult to overcome.
It wasn't as good on that sailing as it was on the SGC but it was not
horrible. The last one which was the third time I have been on Crown
Princess it was a flop. I never called the food served in the MDR on a
ship horrible before on any ship. I think a some has to do with the
chef and some with the provisioning. It may be improved by know but I
would have to hear that from other than Jerry to believe it. I don't
think things are unchanging. If there were negative comments a cruise
line can take steps and turn that around.

> Note that - according to this comment from cruisemates.com - Princess
> adjusts its cuisine to the region its ship is sailing. Could it be the
> chef was trying Norwegian food and failed or you just don't like that
> kind of food?

There was no attempt to provide Norwegian food.

> "Unlike many cruise lines, Princess does not have an executive chef
> designing the recipes for the entire fleet. Each ship has its own
> executive chef who is responsible for the menu creation. This means
> cuisine is more tailored the region the ship is cruising, a nice touch.

I doubt the above. Just because it is in a Cruisemates review does not
make it true. I have seen the same menus repeated on Princess ships
often. The Crab Legs is an example. They always have that chilled Pina
Colada soup one evening too. I have been on Princess often. The menus
have not been unique by the chefs. I don't recall his name or title but
Princess does have a chef in charge for their fleet. He was onboard a
few days in Norway and gave a culinary demonstration.

--
Charles
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