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From: tim.... on 26 Jul 2010 06:14

"pete" <no_one_you_know(a)notthisaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:05:24 +0100, tim.... wrote:
>>
>> "Joe Curry" <jcurry99(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c0to46l7kdv95vkr71jifm3e85m4jrrtpj(a)4ax.com...
>>>A good O'Leary interview today.
>>> Three interesting points:
>>>
>>> 1. He predicts that BA / Iberia / American will concentrate more on
>>> transatlantic services (at the expense of domestic and short-haul
>>> international?) scale back
>>>
>>> 2. He thinks easyJet will eventually be snapped up by Air France.
>>>
>>> 3. He promises transatlantic by 2015 if he can source big aircraft
>>> cheaply enough.
>>
>> 1000 pounds says that he wont.
>>
>> Budget transatlantic doesn't scale to the Ryanair model
>>
> Sky Train?

That was from a different pricing era.

Laker fares in real terms today would be around 5-600 pounds.

It was cheap then, but it is hardly what I would call low cost now.

tim







From: Cats on 26 Jul 2010 12:37
On Jul 26, 10:24 am, "tim...." <tims_new_h...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Like he's currently scouring  the aviation industry to get "stand up" seats
> certified

This is just another MoL publicity stunt. Firstly his planes are
licenced for a maximum of 189 pax, and have 189 seats. What is the
point in room for more seats he can't fit? Secondly there are a lot
of licencing requirements about the strength of airliner seats, and
all those would either have to be changed or his new 'seats' would
have to meet them.

Changing anything to do with aviation licensing is hellish expensive,
even for a little C152, let alone a 737-800.

From: pete on 26 Jul 2010 17:47
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:14:58 +0100, tim.... wrote:
>
> "pete" <no_one_you_know(a)notthisaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:slrni4qlu3.7nq.no_one_you_know(a)corv.local...
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:05:24 +0100, tim.... wrote:
>>>
>>> "Joe Curry" <jcurry99(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:c0to46l7kdv95vkr71jifm3e85m4jrrtpj(a)4ax.com...
>>>>A good O'Leary interview today.
>>>> Three interesting points:
>>>>
>>>> 1. He predicts that BA / Iberia / American will concentrate more on
>>>> transatlantic services (at the expense of domestic and short-haul
>>>> international?) scale back
>>>>
>>>> 2. He thinks easyJet will eventually be snapped up by Air France.
>>>>
>>>> 3. He promises transatlantic by 2015 if he can source big aircraft
>>>> cheaply enough.
>>>
>>> 1000 pounds says that he wont.
>>>
>>> Budget transatlantic doesn't scale to the Ryanair model
>>>
>> Sky Train?
>
> That was from a different pricing era.
>
> Laker fares in real terms today would be around 5-600 pounds.
>
> It was cheap then, but it is hardly what I would call low cost now.
>
> tim

There are (far) more similarities than differences:
very low cost compared to the incumbents, higher load factors,
no reservations, pax having to buy refreshments.

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From: tim.... on 27 Jul 2010 05:04

"pete" <no_one_you_know(a)notthisaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:14:58 +0100, tim.... wrote:
>>
>> "pete" <no_one_you_know(a)notthisaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrni4qlu3.7nq.no_one_you_know(a)corv.local...
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:05:24 +0100, tim.... wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Joe Curry" <jcurry99(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:c0to46l7kdv95vkr71jifm3e85m4jrrtpj(a)4ax.com...
>>>>>A good O'Leary interview today.
>>>>> Three interesting points:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. He predicts that BA / Iberia / American will concentrate more on
>>>>> transatlantic services (at the expense of domestic and short-haul
>>>>> international?) scale back
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. He thinks easyJet will eventually be snapped up by Air France.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. He promises transatlantic by 2015 if he can source big aircraft
>>>>> cheaply enough.
>>>>
>>>> 1000 pounds says that he wont.
>>>>
>>>> Budget transatlantic doesn't scale to the Ryanair model
>>>>
>>> Sky Train?
>>
>> That was from a different pricing era.
>>
>> Laker fares in real terms today would be around 5-600 pounds.
>>
>> It was cheap then, but it is hardly what I would call low cost now.
>>
>> tim
>
> There are (far) more similarities than differences:
> very low cost compared to the incumbents, higher load factors,
> no reservations, pax having to buy refreshments.

I know that it looks similar.

But the important point was that the competition at the time was operating a
cartel and coming in with a lower price was easy.

In today's market it isn't and none of the "operating" techniques used to
lower fares on short hops work trans-ocean. Taking out the food costs is
minor by comparison.

tim







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