From: John Rennie on
GLOBALIST wrote:
> On Jun 13, 10:35 am, John Rennie <john-ren...(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>> GLOBALIST wrote:
>>>> The Outrage At Helen Thomas
>>>> In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
>>>> people.
>>>> By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
>>>> 11 June, 2010.
>>>> Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
>>>> to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.
>>>> Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
>>>> made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
>>>> the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
>>>> to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.
>> snipped for brevity
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
>>> the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
>>> anti-Semitic. I think millions are becoming immune and totally
>>> indifferent to that accusation.
>> Let me add my thanks. Idiots like peejay think that because I
>> criticise Israel and even criticise us (the UK) for helping
>> to found this most contentious state I am inconsistent when
>> I attack anti-Semites like snakehawk. I happen to be pro-Jewish.
>> That pro-Jewishness possibly makes me that bit anti-Israel
>> although I do remember the days of the kibbutz when I
>> thought that there just might be an idealistic socialist
>> state being created. How can you be pro-Jewish and
>> criticise modern day Israel - because Israel is a burden
>> on the backs of all Jews. I happen to understand why
>> Israelis attacked Gaza - they had to. They were being
>> attacked by Hamas. Of course they overdid it and didn't
>> need to but then we overdid the bombing of Germany when
>> we didn't need to. It is what happens in war; you hit back
>> harder than you were hit. I understand why a wall has
>> been built. The suicide bombings have almost disappeared
>> but the wall cuts off Israel that much more from what
>> should be her neighbours. Israel is stuck with having to
>> make unpleasant decision after unpleasant decision because
>> it should not exist. It is a totally unnatural creation
>> and that's what makes it a curse on the Jewish race/culture.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I rather see it...this way....When the ship loaded with German Jews
> was floating around, no countries would take them in, including
> England, including the United States.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267

"Following the U.S. government's refusal to permit the passengers to
disembark, the St. Louis sailed back to Europe on June 6, 1939. The
passengers did not return to Germany, however. Jewish organizations
(particularly the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee) negotiated with
four European governments to secure entry visas for the passengers:
Great Britain took 288 passengers; the Netherlands admitted 181
passengers, Belgium took in 214 passengers; and 224 passengers found at
least temporary refuge in France. Of the 288 passengers admitted by
Great Britain, all survived World War II save one, who was killed during
an air raid in 1940. Of the 620 passengers who returned to continent, 87
(14%) managed to emigrate before the German invasion of Western Europe
in May 1940. 532 St. Louis passengers were trapped when Germany
conquered Western Europe. Just over half, 278 survived the Holocaust.
254 died: 84 who had been in Belgium; 84 who had found refuge in
Holland, and 86 who had been admitted to France."


It was decided that our of
> sheer pity and compassion to "allow" them to settle in the area of
> Palestine. The European Jews could have started out by being
> thoughtful of the natives of that area. They could have started out
> with humble beginnings to settle in and adjust to the culture, that
> was already in place for centuries. And I might add where plenty of
> native Jews were already living in harmony with their neighbors.
> But instead they kicked the natives out of their homes and threw
> their furniture into the street. The European Jews, who were
> generations old in Germany, Poland etc then morphed into the Nazis
> that punished and persecuted them. President Truman was furious. He
> simply agreed to this arrangement for them to settle there as a
> gesture of good will. He wrote in his diary that this whole incident
> blew up in the faces of Britain and the US, but even more so for the
> Orthodox Christians and the Arabs who lived their for centuries.
> Once you tell the historical facts you are branded as a hate
> monger. I stil insist and will always say...the intelligent Jews live
> in Florida, New York and New Jersey. They do not tie their Jewish
> religion up in the mess of the politics of Israel.


Don't forget Golders Green.
From: John Rennie on
Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:D7ednYKkPcjynYjRnZ2dnUVZ8nmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> In news:Qvmdner8W4dNZ4nRnZ2dnUVZ7q-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
>>> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
>>>> on the Jewish race/culture.
>>>>
>>> All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."
>>>
>>> Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
>>> ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
>>> in 1922.
>>>
>>> Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
>>> authentic states than Israel.
>>>
>> Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
>> to all intents and purposes a European state.
>
> So?

I can't believe that that is a genuine question.
>
>> Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
>> Ottomans. What a pity they chose the wrong side
>> to support in WW1.
>
> And again in WW-II.
>

Turkey was no longer under the Ottomans.
From: Saracene on
On 13 June, 13:36, "ODONOVAN, Himself" <lapuant...(a)aol.com> wrote:


>
> Which reminds me of a classic Jewish joke (when told orally, the way I
> first heard it, this features a Yiddish accent for the elderly woman):
>
> A man is sitting next to an old lady on an airplane. They begin to
> chat, and after the preliminaries she cuts to the chase and asks him,
> “You Jewish?”
>
> “No ma’am, I’m not.”
>
> “Don’t be shy,” she said “You can tell me.”
>
> “No, I’m just not Jewish” he responds.
>
> “You shouldn’t be ashamed of being Jewish,” she says, as she leans
> closer.
>
> “I’m not,” he answers. “If I were Jewish I’d be proud. But I’m just
> not Jewish.”
>
> “Maybe your mother, your father, a grandparent, somebody was Jewish?”
>
> “No,” he said, “nobody.”
>
> The lady gets testier and says, “You know, you’re not fooling me. I’m
> going to keep asking you until you come clean.”
>
> The man decides to give in, just to shut her up. “Okay, if it makes
> you happy, okay, I’ll say it: yes I’m Jewish.”
>
> “Funny, you don’t look it.”

What about you?Any Jewish relatives? Would you say you would be proud
of being Jewish if you are not?
What Is the matter with gentile Americans? Why on earth are so many so
keen on Israel? What Is the agenda? Simple imperialism or just
stupidity?

From: Ariadne on
On 13 June, 14:54, Saracene <john....(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Not enough to give them a right to Palestine.


There wasn't a "Palestine". There was a
Mandate over land intended as the Jewish
national home.

Arabs got their own countries via other Mandates.
Who would want to give them the Jews' land?
From: Ariadne on
On 13 June, 17:00, GLOBALIST <free.tun...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 10:35 am, John Rennie <john-ren...(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > GLOBALIST wrote:
> > >> The Outrage At Helen Thomas
>
> > >> In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
> > >> people.
>
> > >> By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
> > >> 11 June, 2010.
>
> > >> Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
> > >> to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.
>
> > >> Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
> > >> made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
> > >> the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
> > >> to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.
>
> >   snipped for brevity
>
> > > Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
> > > the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
> > > anti-Semitic.  I think millions are becoming immune and totally
> > > indifferent to that accusation.
>
> > Let me add my thanks. Idiots like peejay think that because I
> > criticise Israel and even criticise us (the UK) for helping
> > to found this most contentious state I am inconsistent when
> > I attack anti-Semites like snakehawk.  I happen to be pro-Jewish.
> > That pro-Jewishness possibly makes me that bit anti-Israel
> > although I do remember the days of the kibbutz when I
> > thought that there just might be an idealistic socialist
> > state being created.  How can you be pro-Jewish and
> > criticise modern day Israel - because Israel is a burden
> > on the backs of all Jews.  I happen to understand why
> > Israelis attacked Gaza - they had to.  They were being
> > attacked by Hamas.  Of course they overdid it and didn't
> > need to but then we overdid the bombing of Germany when
> > we didn't need to.  It is what happens in war; you hit back
> > harder than you were hit.   I understand why a wall has
> > been built.  The suicide bombings have almost disappeared
> > but the wall cuts off Israel that much more from what
> > should be her neighbours.  Israel is stuck with having to
> > make unpleasant decision after unpleasant decision because
> > it should not exist. It is a totally unnatural creation
> > and that's what makes it a curse on the Jewish race/culture.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I rather see it...this way....When the ship loaded with German Jews
> was floating around, no countries would take them in, including
> England, including the United States.   It was decided that our of
> sheer pity and compassion to "allow" them to settle in the area of
> Palestine.   The European Jews could have started out by being
> thoughtful of the natives of that area.  They could have started out
> with humble beginnings to settle in and adjust to the culture, that
> was already in place for centuries.  And I might add where plenty of
> native Jews were already living in harmony with their neighbors.
>      But instead they kicked the natives out of their homes and threw
> their furniture into the street. The European Jews, who were
> generations old in Germany, Poland etc then morphed into the Nazis
> that punished and persecuted them.  President Truman was furious.  He
> simply agreed to this arrangement for them to settle there as a
> gesture of good will. He wrote in his diary that this whole incident
> blew up in the faces of Britain and the US, but even more so for the
> Orthodox Christians and the Arabs who lived their for centuries.
>      Once you tell the historical facts you are branded as a hate
> monger.  I stil insist and will always say...the intelligent Jews live
> in Florida, New York and New Jersey.  They do not tie their Jewish
> religion up in the mess of the politics of Israel.

What a romanticised vision of dhimmitude and
illegal Arab immigration into the Jewish national home.
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