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From: Ariadne on 13 Jun 2010 14:01
On 13 June, 17:27, Bert Hyman <b...(a)iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:D7ednYKkPcjynYjRnZ2dnUVZ8nmdnZ2d(a)giganews.comJohn Rennie
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> <john-ren...(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
> > Bert Hyman wrote:
> >> Innews:Qvmdner8W4dNZ4nRnZ2dnUVZ7q-dnZ2d(a)giganews.comJohn Rennie
> >> <john-ren...(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
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> >>>  It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
> >>>  on the Jewish race/culture.
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> >> All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."
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> >> Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
> >> ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
> >> in 1922.
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> >> Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
> >> authentic states than Israel.
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> > Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
> > to all intents and purposes a European state.  
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> So?
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> > Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
> > Ottomans.  What a pity they chose the wrong side
> > to support in WW1.
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> And again in WW-II.
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> --
> Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b...(a)iphouse.com

The Turks were waving Hitler banners last week!
From: brad herschel on 13 Jun 2010 14:02
Not true. Google "Balfour Declaration" for facts re: the founding of
Israel.

brad
From: Ariadne on 13 Jun 2010 14:04
On 13 June, 19:02, brad herschel <bradhersc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Not true. Google "Balfour Declaration" for facts re: the founding of
> Israel.
>
> brad

Don't be silly. The Mandate for Palestine is the legal
instrument.
From: Saracene on 13 Jun 2010 14:11
On 13 June, 18:57, Ariadne <ariadne....(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13 June, 14:54, Saracene <john....(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Not enough to give them a right to Palestine.
>
> There wasn't a "Palestine".  There was a
> Mandate over land intended as the Jewish
> national home.
>
> Arabs got their own countries via other Mandates.
> Who would want to give them the Jews' land?

These are legal quibbles. The reality is what those who live in the
region believe and feel. Any anyway, whatever territorial rights you
argue, surely they are not based on scientific research into Jewish
DNA, which was what my comment was replying to.
From: John Rennie on 13 Jun 2010 14:41
Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:b4KdnYITF4y-l4jRnZ2dnUVZ7o-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> In news:D7ednYKkPcjynYjRnZ2dnUVZ8nmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
>>> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>>>> In news:Qvmdner8W4dNZ4nRnZ2dnUVZ7q-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
>>>>> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a
>>>>>> curse on the Jewish race/culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>> All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
>>>>> ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
>>>>> in 1922.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
>>>>> authentic states than Israel.
>>>>>
>>>> Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
>>>> to all intents and purposes a European state.
>>> So?
>> I can't believe that that is a genuine question.
>
> Really? Of course it's a genuine question.
>
> Why does it matter that Israel is a European state, even if you qualify
> that with "to all intents and purposes?"
>
> Should the region be quarantined to exclude the effects of western
> civilization?

Look at what's happened in the last 60 years. It hasn't
benefited from what you obviously consider are the benefits
of western civilisation.
>
>>>> Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
>>>> Ottomans. What a pity they chose the wrong side
>>>> to support in WW1.
>>> And again in WW-II.
>>>
>> Turkey was no longer under the Ottomans.
>
> That's clear. However, the various tribal leaders of the region openly
> sided with Germany during WW-II.
>
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