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From: Saracene on 13 Jun 2010 15:40
On 13 June, 20:32, "Tis Odonovan, Himself" <Xent...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 1:55 pm, Saracene <john....(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 13 June, 13:36, "ODONOVAN, Himself" <lapuant...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Which reminds me of a classic Jewish joke (when told orally, the way I
> > > first heard it, this features a Yiddish accent for the elderly woman):
>
> > > A man is sitting next to an old lady on an airplane. They begin to
> > > chat, and after the preliminaries she cuts to the chase and asks him,
> > > “You Jewish?”
>
> > > “No ma’am, I’m not.”
>
> > > “Don’t be shy,” she said “You can tell me.”
>
> > > “No, I’m just not Jewish” he responds.
>
> > > “You shouldn’t be ashamed of being Jewish,” she says, as she leans
> > > closer.
>
> > > “I’m not,” he answers. “If I were Jewish I’d be proud. But I’m just
> > > not Jewish.”
>
> > > “Maybe your mother, your father, a grandparent, somebody was Jewish?”
>
> > > “No,” he said, “nobody.”
>
> > > The lady gets testier and says, “You know, you’re not fooling me. I’m
> > > going to keep asking you until you come clean.”
>
> > > The man decides to give in, just to shut her up. “Okay, if it makes
> > > you happy, okay, I’ll say it: yes I’m Jewish.”
>
> > > “Funny, you don’t look it.”
>
> > What about you?Any Jewish relatives?  Would you say you would be proud
> > of being Jewish if you are not?
> > What Is the matter with gentile Americans? Why on earth are so many so
> > keen on Israel? What Is the agenda? Simple imperialism or just
> > stupidity?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > What about you?Any Jewish relatives?
>
> None at all. Three of my grandparents immigrated to Philadelphia,
> Pennsylvania for economic opportunities from Ireland in the late 1890s
> qnd early 1900s. A maternal grsndfather was a German/ Dutch Quaker
> tracing a continuous Quaker ancestry back to a land grant from William
> Penn in Pennsylvania.
>
> > Would you say you would be proud
> > of being Jewish if you are not?
>
> I wouldn't find it anything to be ashamed of. I crossed paths with
> many Jewish colleagues during my business career. As a group I admired
> their work ethic, intellect and achievements including but not
> exclusive of their disproportionate economic successes. I believe they
> are victims targeted because of their own successes

You yanks are incomprehensible, or maybe just shallower than we like
to think.
From: snakehawk on 13 Jun 2010 15:47
On Jun 13, 9:06 am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" <pjdnvn...(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Henry Feingold, The Politics of Rescue, (New Jersey Rutgers
> University Press, 1970),
>
> "..With a lack of public acknowledgement from the Roosevelt
> Administration, U.S. public opinion was not aroused. This, Feingold
> believes, convinced "men like Goebbels that the Allies approved or
> were
>
> at least indifferent to the fate of the Jews.."
>
> American Wartime Indifference to the Plight of the European Jews
>
> Katherine E. Culbertson
>
> "The United States faced a clear obligation, and various groups-the
> press, the military, the people, the State Department, and
> Roosevelt-all failed their responsibility to the Jews. Thus, the blood
> of six millions Jews who perished in the most horrible, deliberate act
> of violence ever engineered by humankind has come to stain the hands
> of
>
> not only the perpetrators, but the bystanders as well..
>

You people who cling to the Holocaust tales are a piece of work. With
all the spies, journalists, turncoats, and refugees moving around
crowded europe, you want everyone to believe that the biggest killing
spree in the history of the world was going on in Europe but "the
press, the military, the people, the State Department and Roosevelt
either didn't know about or just sat on it until the war was almost
over.

What possible reason could there be for allies to keep any evidence of
some ongoing holocaust from the public? Do you think that the allied
leaders didn't want to embarrass the Germans? Didn't want to upset
the Allied troops?

You'd rather dismiss the entire western world as uncaring accomplices
to a massive crime than to even question the veracity of Jewish tales
of anguish and travails, tales that are implausible if not physically
impossible.

You idiot--no one was concerned about the Holocaust during the war
because there was no Holocaust going on during the war.
From: John Rennie on 13 Jun 2010 16:51
Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:JOCdne6YZfxPsojRnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>
>>> They and their brothers around the world have been hacking strangers
>>> and one another to death for centuries and continue to do so today.
>>>
>>> Whose fault is that?
>>>
>> The cheap answer is 'Theirs'. But we have done much
>> to stimulate that hatred.
>
> What have we done to make the Hutu hate the Tutsi? Or the Suuni hate the
> Shiia? Or any of the other too-numerous-to-mention tribal groups around
> the world who kill one another with such joyful abandon?

You mean you really don't know the answer to these
childlike questions? You know nothing of colonisation,
slavery and massive exploitation?
>
> If Western society had never existed, the region would probably be knee
> deep in the blood of the various tribal factions instead of merely ankle
> deep.

And to think we all originate in Africa. It's a wonder
we survived isn't it?
>
>> Anyway when one considers the actions of Arizona
>> and the anti-illegals aren't one or two of the
>> western societies "suffering the xenophobia and
>> tribal hatreds from the past"? We ain't superior
>> to anybody.
>
> Arizonans are running around with machetes chopping up Mexican
> immigrants?
>
> Really?

They have the same attitude to another tribe as do
one African tribe can have with another. America
is no way is an example to the rest of the world
From: Bill Bonde on 13 Jun 2010 17:11
Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:JOCdne6YZfxPsojRnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com John Rennie
> <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>
>>> They and their brothers around the world have been hacking strangers
>>> and one another to death for centuries and continue to do so today.
>>>
>>> Whose fault is that?
>>>
>>
>> The cheap answer is 'Theirs'. But we have done much
>> to stimulate that hatred.
>
> What have we done to make the Hutu hate the Tutsi?
>
If I recall right, the groups were defined by the Belgians or someone
like that, one being lighter skinned than the other. By playing them off
each other, [now looks this up because Earl or Holman will attack me if
I get it slightly off]:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutu#Competing_theories_about_origins
#begin quote
The Hutu arrived in Africa's Great Lakes region from what is now Chad
during the 11th century, displacing the Twa pygmies,[6] and dominated
the area with a series of small kingdoms until the arrival of the Tutsi.
Several theories exist to explain the Tutsi and their differences (if
any) from the Hutu. One is that the Tutsi were a Semitic language
people who migrated south from what is now Ethiopia, conquering the Hutu
kingdoms and establishing dominance over the Hutu and Twa between the
15th and 18th centuries.[6] However, an alternate theory, that the Hutu
and Tutsi were originally one people, but were artificially divided by
German and then Belgian colonists so the Tutsi minority could serve as
local overseers for Berlin and Brussels, has received support among
those supporting Rwandan national unity, but may be an attempt at
historical revisionism.[7][8] Still others suggest that the two groups
are related but not identical, and that the differences between the two
were exacerbated by Europeans[9] or by a gradual, natural split as
those who owned cattle became known as Tutsi and those who did not
became Hutu.[5] Mahmood Mamdani states that the Belgian colonial power
designated people as Tutsi or Hutu on the basis of cattle ownership,
physical measurements and church records.[10]
#end quote



> Or the Suuni hate the
> Shiia?
>
I think that's entirely between them and not due to European influences.



> Or any of the other too-numerous-to-mention tribal groups around
> the world who kill one another with such joyful abandon?
>
People naturally form groups, be it families, teams, ethnic divisions,
nations, etc. When there is no division, people find one. At least when
people divide up based on their views about things, there is some hope,
when it's views about things other than the people they hate. At some
point, the Shia and Sunni thing has become nothing more than hate. It is
true that Iranian sensibilities and those of Saudis are different.
Iranians regularly show up in Mecca and trample each other to death.
Saudis live in a more reserved society.

From: John Rennie on 13 Jun 2010 19:09
SPierce wrote:
> "John Rennie" <john-rennie(a)talktalk.net> wrote in message
> news:FfednRhc1-RX2YjRnZ2dnUVZ8hydnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> Arizonans are running around with machetes chopping up Mexican
>>> immigrants? Really?
>
>> They have the same attitude to another tribe as do
>> one African tribe can have with another. America
>> is no way is an example to the rest of the world
>
> # America is an example of what happens when leaders do not do their duty
> to the people they are supposed to protect...their borders. A basic
> fundamental obligation.
>
>
You mean the Mexicans should have done a better job of protecting
their borders?
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