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From: John Mc. on 7 Oct 2009 20:15 Rudeney wrote: > rct wrote: >> Rodney: >> >> I'm not auditioning for the new Bicker* slot, just pretty darn fresh >> from second trip this year and the dining plan is wrecking it is all >> I'm sayin, so, I'm not arguing with you at all. > > No problems. We're just having a friendly discussion with some slight > differences in opinion as far as I see it. :-) > >> *Whatever happened to that guy? Anyone? > > Like Amanda said, he left our "cesspool" and went over the DIS. I also > found him on a forum called DBSTalk.com. It's a great place to discuss > satellite TV services, but he hangs out in the OT forum that is all > about TV shows. > Well, two places I won't be visiting. John Mc. -- si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes.
From: Rob Steere on 7 Oct 2009 23:05 "Rudeney" <rudeney(a)mickeypics.com> wrote in message news:hai9tj$gpl$1(a)rudeney.motzarella.org... > > If a person who just purchased food cannot find a table, then there aren't > enough tables. The solution is more tables. And if there isn't any room > at Pecos Bill for more tables, then maybe they need to open another venue! > Well, the closest venue to Pecos Bill's that's routinely closed is Pirate & Parrot, and there are signs inside Pecos Bill's pointing to P&P for additional seating. (They're connected through an inside ramp) So opening P&P wouldn't do much to diminish the overcrowding of the tables, perhaps just diminish the lines at the counter a little bit. (And even then, you'd increase the speed at which you have "new diners" arriving in the seating area with food, looking for an open table... Not necessarily the best idea. Pecos Bill's also has the problem with the Golden Oak Outpost outdoor food counter right outside. While it has its own minimal outdoor seating, you'll always get Guests going into Peco Bill's looking for air-conditioned seating. The next-closest venue is Adventureland Verandah, and that's almost to the Hub. If your family is hungry and you're near Splash and Big Thunder, you want food that's nearby. I'm sure that back when Disney was planning the restaurants, there were some big, complicated formulas used to figure out the best number of tables in each location, basing it on the average time spent by a Guest eating, the serving speed of the food counters, time spent looking for a table, how long a table sits empty, etc etc etc. The food counters put out food at a pretty consistent rate during peak times. So the flow of Guests from the counter to the seating area is a pretty constant value. If *no* tables were ever saved by non-eating Guests, and there were enough tables in a location, you'd have a balanced flow of some Guests just sitting down, some currently eating, some getting up to leave, and some empty tables. (And some rude Guests leaving their trash behind, waiting for a CM to come along and throw it away, but in the meantime making that table rather undesirable to sit down at) But as more and more people save tables because they THINK they have to (and not simply the families who need to seat the little kids at the table while a parents goes and orders), those available open tables diminish, throwing a wrench in the works. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. More people save tables, meaning less open ones visible to new arrivals, so MORE people save tables because of the perceived shortage... Taken to the extreme, you could have EVERY table in the place being held by non-eaters, leaving absolutely nothing available for people just entering the dining room with food. The best-planned systems can be totally fouled up by guests who don't know any better. -Rob
From: aksco33 on 7 Oct 2009 23:37 On Oct 7, 9:46�am, Ginny Favers <ginnyfav...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Joe wrote: > > here's a post on wdwmagic from a Pecos Bill CM that clarifies some > > things: > > >http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=3784703&postcount=55 > > Thanks, that was illuminating. �Making some kind of park-wide rule that > people can't sit down while their party orders would be SO un-Disney. > > I can't imagine why throngs of people want to be in Pecos Bill's. �But I > hear there's a new kitchen, so maybe I should try the food again, before > I say that. �Perhaps it's delicious now. > > ~Amanda Pecos Bills was pretty packed--we had to find seats in an area across from The Pirates of Carribean Ride. They do have make your own Taco Salad, Burgers, Wraps, BBQ Beef sandwiches. No chicken fingers/ nuggets.
From: Charlie Foxtrot on 8 Oct 2009 03:24 On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:49:09 -0400, Ginny Favers <ginnyfavers(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >The difference between any other restaurant in America and a counter >service restaurant at WDW is that the latter are inside a theme park. >It's a different business model. > No it is not. From what I understand each location is supposed to hold its own, financially, so there should not be any difference between the park restaurants and any other restaurant any where. Would you go into any of the Downtown Disney restaurants and expect to just grab a seat for a while? Foxtrot If you think you hate me from what I write here, check out my blog on my MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/bennettron If you actually think I'm an okay guy, go ahead and add me as your friend if you are active at MySpace.
From: Charlie Foxtrot on 8 Oct 2009 03:37
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:49:32 -0500, Rudeney <rudeney(a)mickeypics.com> wrote: >Now for those people who say that guests without food, or without >"enough food" shoudl not be allowed to take up tables, what about >guests who do have food, but then linger for a while after eating? Politely ask them to free up the table if people are, obviously, waiting. In other words, be their Jiminy Cricket since they can't figure out common courtesy on their own. >Shouldn't this be stopped, too? Yes, definitely. >And exactly how much food is "enough" >to justify taking up a table? A bare minimum of one non-beverage menu item per person in the party. > Do you see where I'm going? Yeah but I don't see your logic in wanting to go there. > >While I believe that it is rude for guests to occupy tables when they >aren't eating when people with food can't find a place to sit, I don't >believe that Disney should police this. There are just too many >exceptions and gray areas. Like I said before, the real solution is >more places to sit. God damn that effing Disney World! First every attraction was eliminated to make way for plush shops and now every attraction is being eliminated to give lazy-asses places to sit! Can't you hear it already? Foxtrot If you think you hate me from what I write here, check out my blog on my MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/bennettron If you actually think I'm an okay guy, go ahead and add me as your friend if you are active at MySpace. |