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From: peter on 14 Jun 2010 11:43
X-no-archive: yes On 6/14/10 5:02 PM, in article
hv5ha712i4h(a)news6.newsguy.com, "George Leppla" <george(a)cruisemaster.com>
wrote:

> On 6/14/2010 8:52 AM, Jeff Gersten wrote:
[]
> This was copied ford for word from
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Princess
>
>
> There is nothing wrong with including reference materials in a trip
> report, however, doing ti without proper attribution is plagiarizing.

Unless mr. Gersten himself wrote the paragraphs allegedly quoted from
Wikipedia. BTW: who cares?


From: Ari on 14 Jun 2010 13:12
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:38:57 -0500, Jr. wrote:

> Generally, when you like one ship over the other when they are very similar
> the reason is the people on the ship.
> You get better service or you have a better time with the passengers and you
> then feel that one ship was nicer than the other.

Disagree. Color and furnishings e.g Brilliance over the Radiance.
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From: Jeff Gersten on 14 Jun 2010 13:16
jsisker(a)sprynet.com (John Sisker) wrote:

>Jeff,
>Thanks for your input in this reference; a
>different view and perspective from others is
>always a good thing. Since personal
>evaluations are mostly subjective, I felt
>including the technical aspects of the ship
>itself, helped to round out the overall review.
>Likewise, since the official things about the
>ship will always appear to be the same no
>matter the source, black and white listing do
>give one the feel of being rather structure and
>mundane, no matter the source. This
>obviously comes from Princess Cruises itself,
>and as already pointed out, is simply
>background information. After all, it's their
>ship, and I had no desire to reinvent the
>wheel.

John,
The personal observations you made were interesting. Notice how I tried
to comment on them giving both similarities and differences in our
experiences. Some of the differences will arise out of each cruise being
different, and some will arise out of each of us as a person having
different viewpoints. And sometimes similarities will be noted because
of common experiences. For instance, I commented on the crowded theater.
I have read many other reviews of this ship that also noted this and/or
said you had to get to the theater at least 20 minutes early.

As for the ship history, you could have easily given a source and if you
wished given a quotation from it. Also, the description of every cabin
category was obviously from the Princess site. If you really thought it
was necessary to add that to a personal review, you could have again
given a source.

I think that many who have "killfiled" you would be surprised to find
out that you now often contribute worthwhile information and opinions.
You still try too hard sometimes, and react too defensively to what is
meant to be constructive criticism. I hope you take this (and what
George wrote) as trying to be constructive instead of acting so
defensively.

From: Ari on 14 Jun 2010 14:00
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:16:41 -0400, Jeff Gersten wrote:

> John,

> I think that many who have "killfiled" you would be surprised to find
> out that you now often contribute worthwhile information and opinions.

Damn, this group is killfile crazee.

> You still try too hard sometimes, and react too defensively to what is
> meant to be constructive criticism. I hope you take this (and what
> George wrote) as trying to be constructive instead of acting so
> defensively.

You must have Leppla killfiled, he called you a plagiarizer. Which you
are, btw.
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From: Jeff Gersten on 14 Jun 2010 15:08
AriSilverstein(a)yahoo.com (Ari) wrote:

>You must have Leppla killfiled, he called you a
>plagiarizer. Which you are, btw.

Hey idiot, reread George's post. He accused Sisker of plagiarism, not
me. Then you went forward and misquoted him as accusing me.

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