From: abelard on
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:28:34 +0100, AlanG <invalid(a)invalid.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp
><aquachimp(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 25, 4:06�pm, AlanG <inva...(a)invalid.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>>>
>>> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>>> >On Apr 25, 12:18�pm, Holly Buddy <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8642637.stm
>>>
>>> >> hardy fuckin ha!
>>>
>>> >Nice one.
>>>
>>> >A colleague of mine had a good idea about bull fighting. �He said he
>>> >wouldn't mind so much if they evened it up a bit and made the matador
>>> >drink a bottle of vodka before going into the ring so he wouldn't know
>>> >which bull to torment. �It would be funny too - I think it lacks
>>> >humour in its current "a bunch of cruel bastards mindlessly abusing
>>> >animals" format.
>>>
>>> I've never seen a bullfight until recently. Was on holiday in spain
>>> and got stuck in the hotel room for a few hours while it pissed down
>>> outside. I flicked through the tv channels and spotted a bullfight.
>>>
>>> There is very little bravery in facing a tormented animal that is
>>> weakened and bleeding to death from blades stuck in it.
>>
>>Adding to which, a link within that page is headlined as "Matador aged
>>11 kills six bulls"
>>but the video shows the "bull" to be about calf sized.
>
>I didn't follow the link. Bullfighting disgusts me and I'm not
>squeamish. I belonged to the fishing, shooting fraternity for a long
>time and have no poblems with killing an animal cleanly but tormenting
>one while it bleeds to death is just torture.

so what is your position on halal?
whaling?
foxes killing chickens?
cats playing with mice?
and fluffy bunny rabbits?

regards

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From: abelard on
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT), McKevvy
<vicko_zoomba(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 25 Apr, 16:20, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:09:00 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> >On Apr 25, 3:19�pm, "James Silverton" <not.jim.silver...(a)verizon.net>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> ><snip>
>>
>> >> I've never seen a bull-fight but, from TV shows, it does seem usually to
>> >> be rather dangerous for the matador
>>
>> >Anyone familiar with them will tell you that most bulls are docile and
>> >won't hurt a fly. �They get a bad press and different breeds do behave
>> >differently, but I used to happily walk alongside them as a kid being
>> >born and raised on a farm. �One particulr one - a cuddly Hereford -
>> >insisted on going in to the milking shed with the cows, so he could
>> >get some feed. �It was quite funny. �I have met a few big buggers in
>> >my time but, make no mistake, there is nothing brave about facing a
>> >dumb animal who has no idea about what is going to happen. �Any human
>> >with their wits about them would survive a bullfight, though few are
>> >so cowardly as to kill such a magnificent animal in ruthless cold
>> >blood for the perverse enjoyment of others.
>>
>> does your bleeding heart extend to slaughterhouses?

>Theyre not tormented to fee-paying public in slaughterhouses. Theyre
>killed quickly, painlessly and humanely

perhaps you'd better read up on slaughter houses...

>for meat and by products.

for your 'enjoyment' as another concerned poster put it...

is it better when no entrance fee is paid....other than to
your favourite restaurant?
a part of your fee of course goes towards the slaughterman...
so's you don't have to get your hands dirty....
a part of your tv fee goes towards the discussed entertainment

are you claiming it's ok for your steak enjoyment but not for
your neighbours viewing enjoyment?


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From: abelard on
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:53:32 -0700 (PDT), McKevvy
<vicko_zoomba(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 25 Apr, 16:09, Uncle Dave <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> On Apr 25, 3:19�pm, "James Silverton" <not.jim.silver...(a)verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I've never seen a bull-fight but, from TV shows, it does seem usually to
>> > be rather dangerous for the matador
>>
>> Anyone familiar with them will tell you that most bulls are docile and
>> won't hurt a fly. �They get a bad press and different breeds do behave
>> differently, but I used to happily walk alongside them as a kid being
>> born and raised on a farm. �One particulr one - a cuddly Hereford -
>> insisted on going in to the milking shed with the cows, so he could
>> get some feed. �It was quite funny. �I have met a few big buggers in
>> my time but, make no mistake, there is nothing brave about facing a
>> dumb animal who has no idea about what is going to happen. �Any human
>> with their wits about them would survive a bullfight, though few are
>> so cowardly as to kill such a magnificent animal in ruthless cold
>> blood for the perverse enjoyment of others.
>>
>> UD
>
>Absolutely agreed.

is non-perverse enjoyment ok?

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From: Holly Buddy on
On Apr 25, 8:10 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:28:34 +0100, AlanG <inva...(a)invalid.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp
> ><aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>On Apr 25, 4:06 pm, AlanG <inva...(a)invalid.net> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:27:33 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>
> >>> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> >>> >On Apr 25, 12:18 pm, Holly Buddy <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8642637.stm
>
> >>> >> hardy fuckin ha!
>
> >>> >Nice one.
>
> >>> >A colleague of mine had a good idea about bull fighting. He said he
> >>> >wouldn't mind so much if they evened it up a bit and made the matador
> >>> >drink a bottle of vodka before going into the ring so he wouldn't know
> >>> >which bull to torment. It would be funny too - I think it lacks
> >>> >humour in its current "a bunch of cruel bastards mindlessly abusing
> >>> >animals" format.
>
> >>> I've never seen a bullfight until recently. Was on holiday in spain
> >>> and got stuck in the hotel room for a few hours while it pissed down
> >>> outside. I flicked through the tv channels and spotted a bullfight.
>
> >>> There is very little bravery in facing a tormented animal that is
> >>> weakened and bleeding to death from blades stuck in it.
>
> >>Adding to which, a link within that page is headlined as "Matador aged
> >>11 kills six bulls"
> >>but the video shows the "bull"  to be about calf sized.
>
> >I didn't follow the link. Bullfighting disgusts me and I'm not
> >squeamish. I belonged to the fishing, shooting fraternity for a long
> >time and have no poblems with killing an animal cleanly but tormenting
> >one while it bleeds to death is just torture.
>
> so what is your position on halal?
> whaling?
> foxes killing chickens?
> cats playing with mice?
> and fluffy bunny rabbits?
>
> regards
>
> --
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>  energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
>   all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
>   the triumph of evil is that     []           a big stick.
>   good people do nothing     []    trust actions not words
>                     only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

....you are also an animal, care to run around whilst I stab you....
From: Uncle Dave on
On Apr 25, 7:15 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:

<snip slash hack grind mince fry mmmm nice>
>
> >> does your bleeding heart extend to slaughterhouses?
> >Theyre not tormented to fee-paying public in slaughterhouses. Theyre
> >killed quickly, painlessly and humanely
>
> perhaps you'd better read up on slaughter houses...
>
> >for meat and by products.
>
> for your 'enjoyment' as another concerned poster put it...
>
> is it better when no entrance fee is paid....other than to
>     your favourite restaurant?
> a part of your fee of course goes towards the slaughterman...
>     so's you don't have to get your hands dirty....
> a part of your tv fee goes towards the discussed entertainment
>
> are you claiming it's ok for your steak enjoyment but not for
>     your neighbours viewing enjoyment?

The paradoxical nature of man's relationship with animals is self-
evident to anyone who stops and thinks about it, but your point is
what exactly? That it's ironic that people might get het up about
cruelty to animals but still eat meat? Well, aren't you the clever
one - are you studying for an NVQ in stating the bleeding obvious? If
so, you're doing well, keep it up!

UD