From: Floating Voter on
On 25 Apr, 19:15, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT), McKevvy
>
>
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> <vicko_zoo...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 25 Apr, 16:20, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:09:00 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>
> >> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 25, 3:19 pm, "James Silverton" <not.jim.silver...(a)verizon.net>
> >> >wrote:
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> >> ><snip>
>
> >> >> I've never seen a bull-fight but, from TV shows, it does seem usually to
> >> >> be rather dangerous for the matador
>
> >> >Anyone familiar with them will tell you that most bulls are docile and
> >> >won't hurt a fly.  They get a bad press and different breeds do behave
> >> >differently, but I used to happily walk alongside them as a kid being
> >> >born and raised on a farm.  One particulr one - a cuddly Hereford -
> >> >insisted on going in to the milking shed with the cows, so he could
> >> >get some feed.  It was quite funny.  I have met a few big buggers in
> >> >my time but, make no mistake, there is nothing brave about facing a
> >> >dumb animal who has no idea about what is going to happen.  Any human
> >> >with their wits about them would survive a bullfight, though few are
> >> >so cowardly as to kill such a magnificent animal in ruthless cold
> >> >blood for the perverse enjoyment of others.
>
> >> does your bleeding heart extend to slaughterhouses?
> >Theyre not tormented to fee-paying public in slaughterhouses. Theyre
> >killed quickly, painlessly and humanely
>
> perhaps you'd better read up on slaughter houses...
>
> >for meat and by products.
>
> for your 'enjoyment' as another concerned poster put it...
>
> is it better when no entrance fee is paid....other than to
>     your favourite restaurant?
> a part of your fee of course goes towards the slaughterman...
>     so's you don't have to get your hands dirty....
> a part of your tv fee goes towards the discussed entertainment
>
> are you claiming it's ok for your steak enjoyment but not for
>     your neighbours viewing enjoyment?

I think farming animals for food is defensible as long as the animals
are treated compassionately. My reasoning is that it (probably)
wouldn't actually be desirable if their were no predators in an
ecosystem and why shouldn't man fill this role. In bull fighting
the bull is tormented for the sake of it. It is inexcusable.

From: Uncle Dave on
On Apr 25, 7:37 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:28:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>
> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> >On Apr 25, 7:16 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>
> ><snip>
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> >> is non-perverse enjoyment ok?
>
> >Tell us what it is that you enjoy and we'll tell you.
>
> watching idiots like you chase your own tails

Not much joy in your life then...

UD
From: abelard on
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
<davidcovey(a)t-online.de> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 7:37�pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:28:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>>
>> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> >On Apr 25, 7:16�pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>>
>> ><snip>
>>
>> >> is non-perverse enjoyment ok?
>>
>> >Tell us what it is that you enjoy and we'll tell you.
>>
>> watching idiots like you chase your own tails
>
>Not much joy in your life then...

it's a lot more entertaining and enlightening than
watching people chasing bulls...

but it does make it more interesting if the idiot
has some personality or special idiot-syncrazies

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From: Uncle Dave on
On Apr 25, 10:23 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
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>
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> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> >On Apr 25, 7:37 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:28:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>
> >> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 25, 7:16 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>
> >> ><snip>
>
> >> >> is non-perverse enjoyment ok?
>
> >> >Tell us what it is that you enjoy and we'll tell you.
>
> >> watching idiots like you chase your own tails
>
> >Not much joy in your life then...
>
> it's a lot more entertaining and enlightening than
>    watching people chasing bulls...
>
> but it does make it more interesting if the idiot
>     has some personality or special idiot-syncrazies

So, pretty dire really? Do you cry much?

UD
From: abelard on
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:25:49 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
<davidcovey(a)t-online.de> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 10:23�pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> >On Apr 25, 7:37 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:28:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>>
>> >> <davidco...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> >> >On Apr 25, 7:16 pm, abelard <abela...(a)abelard.org> wrote:
>>
>> >> ><snip>
>>
>> >> >> is non-perverse enjoyment ok?
>>
>> >> >Tell us what it is that you enjoy and we'll tell you.
>>
>> >> watching idiots like you chase your own tails
>>
>> >Not much joy in your life then...
>>
>> it's a lot more entertaining and enlightening than
>> � �watching people chasing bulls...
>>
>> but it does make it more interesting if the idiot
>> � � has some personality or special idiot-syncrazies
>
>So, pretty dire really? Do you cry much?

you have strange concerns...

you're en passant...then on to the next, perhaps more interesting
case or task...

i do hope you're not propositioning me!

i wouldn't want to offend by rejecting you...you appear to have
enough issues already

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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
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