From: BP killed my turtle on
On May 22, 7:29 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
> On May 22, 6:00 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 5:16 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On May 22, 4:38 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 22, 3:22 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 22, 3:00 pm, d4g...(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>
> > > > > (*)) wrote:
> > > > > > Andy Pandy <spam8ti...(a)wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > "aquachimp" <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > >news:ba3aa7bd-3e9c-4c1a-87aa-ec18110bfeb5(a)q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > Oddly enough, there's not much mention about this kind of thing
> > > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > > Or does it go by another name.
>
> > > > > > > I suspect it's never mentioned here because most people who post here
> > > > > > > are independant travellers who don't go on "beach" holidays or to
> > > > > > > typical package holiday destinations where these scum operate..
>
> > > > > > Never bumped into them myself, certainly. Maybe I just look as if I'm
> > > > > > skint? :)
>
> > > > > Nah, that aint it; I've been doing some research into the scams prime
> > > > > target selection and I since found one site claiming to reveal all.
> > > > > It's not that they're looking out for package holiday destination
> > > > > tourists, nor childless couples, or "newbie" tourists.
> > > > > No, what they pick out are people who look like they are having fun
> > > > > and clearly enjoying their holiday.
>
> > > >  gullible ?!
>
> > > Hmm, can't say I saw a mention of gullible.http://www.ehow.com/how_2272842_spot-scratch-card-travel-scam.html
>
> > > However, there is a scientific basis that would agree with that, or at
> > > least from what I read in a fairly recent New Scientist, or Scientific
> > > American  magazine which pointed out that happiness makes people more
> > > prone to being gullible.
>
> > > What might interest you though is that there's a  sort of "save our
> > > turtles" campaign going on there. But no, it 's not the BP ones; We
> > > saw the kiosk near the opening to the harbour car park. Previously,
> > > the holiday rep had mentioned something about turtles coming ashore to
> > > nest and that was about all he seemed to know about the place, though
> > > it seems now that his direction were about 15 km out (he was
> > > suggesting to the West of Scam Central, when in fact it's to the east
> > > and , oh, they don't do the nesting gig until late July -to August, so
> > > he got that bit wrong too.
>
> > Be wary of people who approach you....nuff sed
>
> Cautiously succinctly expressed. But easier said than done.
>
> Put it this way,  I popped along here into Usenet Street  and in
> posting this thread I have in effect approached everybody. What's
> more, though not Greek, I did so bearing the Gifts of information and
> opportunity/excuse to converse.
>
> Not everyone has avoided me.
>
> A holiday, such as what I've just had, is a feast of freedom and
> borrowing the phrase "we are what we eat" feasting of freedom lends us
> to living more freely and, I suspect, even free from a conscious sense
> of freedom. So when approached, as we were, the under current sense of
> freedom expressed itself  thus, like someone whispering in your ear
> saying... ooh go on, listen, check it out, you'll be doing him a
> favour, you're free to walk away any time you want.
>
> Trouble is, the same undercurrent, which is the real Trojan Horse at
> work here expresses itself in the same way as each greater step of
> risk is encountered. And that's why I think (though making it up as I
> go along) is why some people get duped, other than those who are
> tortured into it through tedium, hunger, thirst or as one couple I've
> since read about, the woman was diabetic, became ill as a consequence
> of all the missed meal delays, but the scammers still wouldn't let
> them go until the husband signed on the dotted line.

going on holiday is no excuse for unplugging your brain....
From: aquachimp on
On May 22, 8:28 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On May 22, 7:29 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 6:00 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On May 22, 5:16 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 22, 4:38 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 22, 3:22 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co..uk>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 22, 3:00 pm, d4g...(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>
> > > > > > (*)) wrote:
> > > > > > > Andy Pandy <spam8ti...(a)wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > > "aquachimp" <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >news:ba3aa7bd-3e9c-4c1a-87aa-ec18110bfeb5(a)q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > > Oddly enough, there's not much mention about this kind of thing
> > > > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > > > Or does it go by another name.
>
> > > > > > > > I suspect it's never mentioned here because most people who post here
> > > > > > > > are independant travellers who don't go on "beach" holidays or to
> > > > > > > > typical package holiday destinations where these scum operate.
>
> > > > > > > Never bumped into them myself, certainly. Maybe I just look as if I'm
> > > > > > > skint? :)
>
> > > > > > Nah, that aint it; I've been doing some research into the scams prime
> > > > > > target selection and I since found one site claiming to reveal all.
> > > > > > It's not that they're looking out for package holiday destination
> > > > > > tourists, nor childless couples, or "newbie" tourists.
> > > > > > No, what they pick out are people who look like they are having fun
> > > > > > and clearly enjoying their holiday.
>
> > > > >  gullible ?!
>
> > > > Hmm, can't say I saw a mention of gullible.http://www.ehow.com/how_2272842_spot-scratch-card-travel-scam.html
>
> > > > However, there is a scientific basis that would agree with that, or at
> > > > least from what I read in a fairly recent New Scientist, or Scientific
> > > > American  magazine which pointed out that happiness makes people more
> > > > prone to being gullible.
>
> > > > What might interest you though is that there's a  sort of "save our
> > > > turtles" campaign going on there. But no, it 's not the BP ones; We
> > > > saw the kiosk near the opening to the harbour car park. Previously,
> > > > the holiday rep had mentioned something about turtles coming ashore to
> > > > nest and that was about all he seemed to know about the place, though
> > > > it seems now that his direction were about 15 km out (he was
> > > > suggesting to the West of Scam Central, when in fact it's to the east
> > > > and , oh, they don't do the nesting gig until late July -to August, so
> > > > he got that bit wrong too.
>
> > > Be wary of people who approach you....nuff sed
>
> > Cautiously succinctly expressed. But easier said than done.
>
> > Put it this way,  I popped along here into Usenet Street  and in
> > posting this thread I have in effect approached everybody. What's
> > more, though not Greek, I did so bearing the Gifts of information and
> > opportunity/excuse to converse.
>
> > Not everyone has avoided me.
>
> > A holiday, such as what I've just had, is a feast of freedom and
> > borrowing the phrase "we are what we eat" feasting of freedom lends us
> > to living more freely and, I suspect, even free from a conscious sense
> > of freedom. So when approached, as we were, the under current sense of
> > freedom expressed itself  thus, like someone whispering in your ear
> > saying... ooh go on, listen, check it out, you'll be doing him a
> > favour, you're free to walk away any time you want.
>
> > Trouble is, the same undercurrent, which is the real Trojan Horse at
> > work here expresses itself in the same way as each greater step of
> > risk is encountered. And that's why I think (though making it up as I
> > go along) is why some people get duped, other than those who are
> > tortured into it through tedium, hunger, thirst or as one couple I've
> > since read about, the woman was diabetic, became ill as a consequence
> > of all the missed meal delays, but the scammers still wouldn't let
> > them go until the husband signed on the dotted line.
>
> going on holiday is no excuse for unplugging your brain....

I'm not sure what you're saying with that generalisation.

If you're in Greece and get approached by someone speaking Dutch,
asking if perhaps you are Dutch, but you're not and don't speak a word
of it and subsequently haven't understood a word... the fact that you
simply continue on your way with hardly a shrug does not amount to
evidence that you've kept your brain plugged in.

Equally, if,say you're English and get approached my someone with a
British accent enquiring if you're English, running away like your
scared of your own shadow doesn't mean your brain is plugged in any
more than taking a moment to engage in line with all the traditions of
your upbringing means you've unplugged your brain.
From: JohnT on

"aquachimp" <aquachimp(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e4f3009-a2c1-47ee-8ae0-57a0461fcae8(a)j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On May 22, 7:05 pm, Martin <mar...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 22/05/10 18:43, Andy Pandy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>> > messagenews:1jiwc89.bizrkippijcwN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk...
>> >> Andy Pandy <spam8ti...(a)wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >>> "aquachimp" <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >>>news:ba3aa7bd-3e9c-4c1a-87aa-ec18110bfeb5(a)q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>> Oddly enough, there's not much mention about this kind of thing
>> >>>> here.
>> >>>> Or does it go by another name.
>>
>> >>> I suspect it's never mentioned here because most people who post
>> >>> here
>> >>> are independant travellers who don't go on "beach" holidays or to
>> >>> typical package holiday destinations where these scum operate.
>>
>> >> Never bumped into them myself, certainly. Maybe I just look as if
>> >> I'm
>> >> skint? :)
>>
>> > They're looking for "couples", and although you may travel as a couple
>> > I guess you might not be obviously identifiable as such ;-)
>>
>> They look for gullible suckers.
>
> Nah, that doesn't quite work either because they clearly avoid locals
> and there's bound to be a few gullible suckers in every community and
> not necessarily ones that are part of a couple.
> If you turn over stones in search of slugs, it's not the stones you're
> looking for.
> So if you turn over gullible suckers, it's their money you're after,
> so here "couples" represent location, "gullible suckers" are stones
> and their money is what you're looking for.

I have a bridge for sale at a very reasonable price!
--
JohnT

From: Martin on
On 22/05/10 23:52, JohnT wrote:
>
> "aquachimp" <aquachimp(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e4f3009-a2c1-47ee-8ae0-57a0461fcae8(a)j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 22, 7:05 pm, Martin <mar...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 22/05/10 18:43, Andy Pandy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>> > messagenews:1jiwc89.bizrkippijcwN%d4g4h4(a)yahoo.co.uk...
>>> >> Andy Pandy <spam8ti...(a)wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> "aquachimp" <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> >>>news:ba3aa7bd-3e9c-4c1a-87aa-ec18110bfeb5(a)q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >>>> Oddly enough, there's not much mention about this kind of thing
>>> >>>> here.
>>> >>>> Or does it go by another name.
>>>
>>> >>> I suspect it's never mentioned here because most people who post
>>> >>> here
>>> >>> are independant travellers who don't go on "beach" holidays or to
>>> >>> typical package holiday destinations where these scum operate.
>>>
>>> >> Never bumped into them myself, certainly. Maybe I just look as if
>>> >> I'm
>>> >> skint? :)
>>>
>>> > They're looking for "couples", and although you may travel as a couple
>>> > I guess you might not be obviously identifiable as such ;-)
>>>
>>> They look for gullible suckers.
>>
>> Nah, that doesn't quite work either because they clearly avoid locals
>> and there's bound to be a few gullible suckers in every community and
>> not necessarily ones that are part of a couple.
>> If you turn over stones in search of slugs, it's not the stones you're
>> looking for.
>> So if you turn over gullible suckers, it's their money you're after,
>> so here "couples" represent location, "gullible suckers" are stones
>> and their money is what you're looking for.
>
> I have a bridge for sale at a very reasonable price!

Made by a NHS dentist?
From: BP killed my turtle on
On May 22, 9:13 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
> On May 22, 8:28 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 7:29 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On May 22, 6:00 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 22, 5:16 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 22, 4:38 pm, BP killed my turtle <michaelnewp...(a)yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 22, 3:22 pm, aquachimp <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 22, 3:00 pm, d4g...(a)yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>
> > > > > > > (*)) wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andy Pandy <spam8ti...(a)wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "aquachimp" <aquach...(a)aquachimp.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >news:ba3aa7bd-3e9c-4c1a-87aa-ec18110bfeb5(a)q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Oddly enough, there's not much mention about this kind of thing
> > > > > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > > > > Or does it go by another name.
>
> > > > > > > > > I suspect it's never mentioned here because most people who post here
> > > > > > > > > are independant travellers who don't go on "beach" holidays or to
> > > > > > > > > typical package holiday destinations where these scum operate.
>
> > > > > > > > Never bumped into them myself, certainly. Maybe I just look as if I'm
> > > > > > > > skint? :)
>
> > > > > > > Nah, that aint it; I've been doing some research into the scams prime
> > > > > > > target selection and I since found one site claiming to reveal all.
> > > > > > > It's not that they're looking out for package holiday destination
> > > > > > > tourists, nor childless couples, or "newbie" tourists.
> > > > > > > No, what they pick out are people who look like they are having fun
> > > > > > > and clearly enjoying their holiday.
>
> > > > > >  gullible ?!
>
> > > > > Hmm, can't say I saw a mention of gullible.http://www.ehow.com/how_2272842_spot-scratch-card-travel-scam.html
>
> > > > > However, there is a scientific basis that would agree with that, or at
> > > > > least from what I read in a fairly recent New Scientist, or Scientific
> > > > > American  magazine which pointed out that happiness makes people more
> > > > > prone to being gullible.
>
> > > > > What might interest you though is that there's a  sort of "save our
> > > > > turtles" campaign going on there. But no, it 's not the BP ones; We
> > > > > saw the kiosk near the opening to the harbour car park. Previously,
> > > > > the holiday rep had mentioned something about turtles coming ashore to
> > > > > nest and that was about all he seemed to know about the place, though
> > > > > it seems now that his direction were about 15 km out (he was
> > > > > suggesting to the West of Scam Central, when in fact it's to the east
> > > > > and , oh, they don't do the nesting gig until late July -to August, so
> > > > > he got that bit wrong too.
>
> > > > Be wary of people who approach you....nuff sed
>
> > > Cautiously succinctly expressed. But easier said than done.
>
> > > Put it this way,  I popped along here into Usenet Street  and in
> > > posting this thread I have in effect approached everybody. What's
> > > more, though not Greek, I did so bearing the Gifts of information and
> > > opportunity/excuse to converse.
>
> > > Not everyone has avoided me.
>
> > > A holiday, such as what I've just had, is a feast of freedom and
> > > borrowing the phrase "we are what we eat" feasting of freedom lends us
> > > to living more freely and, I suspect, even free from a conscious sense
> > > of freedom. So when approached, as we were, the under current sense of
> > > freedom expressed itself  thus, like someone whispering in your ear
> > > saying... ooh go on, listen, check it out, you'll be doing him a
> > > favour, you're free to walk away any time you want.
>
> > > Trouble is, the same undercurrent, which is the real Trojan Horse at
> > > work here expresses itself in the same way as each greater step of
> > > risk is encountered. And that's why I think (though making it up as I
> > > go along) is why some people get duped, other than those who are
> > > tortured into it through tedium, hunger, thirst or as one couple I've
> > > since read about, the woman was diabetic, became ill as a consequence
> > > of all the missed meal delays, but the scammers still wouldn't let
> > > them go until the husband signed on the dotted line.
>
> > going on holiday is no excuse for unplugging your brain....
>
> I'm not sure what you're saying with that generalisation.
>
> If you're in Greece and get approached by someone speaking Dutch,
> asking if perhaps you are Dutch, but you're not and don't speak a word
> of it and subsequently haven't understood a word... the fact that you
> simply continue on your way with hardly a shrug does not amount to
> evidence  that you've kept your brain plugged in.
>
> Equally, if,say you're English and get approached my someone with a
> British accent enquiring if you're English, running away like your
> scared of your own shadow doesn't mean your brain is plugged in any
> more than taking a moment to engage in line with all the traditions of
> your upbringing means you've unplugged your brain.

would you have done this in your own country ?