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From: Dave Smith on 14 Oct 2007 18:37 Hatunen wrote: > > >spoke about "The Europeans displayed their culture in 1914 and again in > >1936 (Spanish civil war, a most cultural affair), and 1935 (Italy invades > >Ethiopia, apparently to help the Ethipians learn to appreciate opera), and > >let's not neglect all the European support for Hitler's anti-semitism, > >shall we?. " Given the US civil war and wars against its neighbours, the US > >holds no moral high ground. > > Nor hacve I claimed it. All I did was respone to a claim about > the cultural superiority of Europeans. Since you don't seem to be > European I'm not clear on why you are so defensive. > > >> >While there was > >> >anti-Semitism across all of Europe for centuries, the US treatment of its > >> >black citizens and the natives hardly puts it on the moral high ground. > >> > >> I didn't say it did. What I said is that Europeans don't have a > >> claim to that high moral and cultural ground either. > > > >Nor does the US. > > I think you are one of those knee-jerk Canadians who will take > any opportuntiy for an excuse to argue with an American. In that case I should point again to the remark you made about the examples of European culture, like 1914 and the Spanish Civil War. I am not saying that there is not culture in the US. There are a number of musical venues where they perform operas and classical music. There are lots of good French restaurants, Italian restaurants, Chinese restaurants. > >You cited the Spanish Civil War. I would think that would be comparable to > >the US Civil War. > > Actually, it wasn't at all like the American Civil War. Just look > at the root causes of each. As for millions of people, the > American Civil War didn't manage to kill even one million people. There were roughly 620,000 deaths in the American Civil War, compared to 500,000 in the Spanish Civil War. I am not sure the exact causes of the civil wars is relevant, or foreign involvement. They both happened, and when you look at the various countries in the world and the number of wars they have fought in and the number they instigated, the US is at or near the head of the pack. That is not anti Americanism or an excuse to argue with an America. It's just plain fact.
From: Lennart Petersen on 14 Oct 2007 19:33 "JohnT" <johnSPAMNOT31(a)fastmail.fm> skrev i meddelandet news:5nfjj1Fi49teU1(a)mid.individual.net... > "Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote > in message news:fr25h31ql9mt0ndo8mo90qp3cavpo1aq66(a)4ax.com... >> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:45:45 -0700, >> Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> has scripted: >> >>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:48:46 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop >>><deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote: >>> >>>>Make credence recognised that on Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:46:54 -0700, >>>>Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> has scripted: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:58:57 -0700, >>>>>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Hmmmm.... >>>>>>1) We may have improved somewhat since the early twentieth >>>>>>century, but to the rest of the world (and to many of our >>>>>>own citizens) the U.S. is still a nation of comparative >>>>>>cultural barbarians! >>>>> >>>>>Oh, yes. The Europeans displayed their culture in 1914 and again >>>>>in 1936 (Spanish civil war, a most cultural affair), and 1935 >>>>>(Italy invades Ethiopia, apparently to help the Ethipians learn >>>>>to appreciate opera), and let's not neglect all the European >>>>>support for Hitler's anti-semitism, shall we?. >>>>> >>>>>Who else? The pre-war Japanese? >>>> >>>>Gawd, winding the clock back this far is surreal. Were you guys even >>>>alive in 1935? >>> >>>Is it your position that one need only study history back to >>>one's birth date? I concess that I wasn't alive until 1937. But >>>the events of the 1930s are still haunting the world. >> >> So are those of the year 0000. > > > There wasn't a year 0000. BC 1 was followed by AD 1. Neither the Greeks > nor the Romans were able to iterate. > -- Must have been a troublesome year to produce an almanac
From: Ken Blake on 14 Oct 2007 20:08 On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:29:40 +0100, "JohnT" <johnSPAMNOT31(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > There wasn't a year 0000. BC 1 was followed by AD 1. Neither the Greeks nor > the Romans were able to iterate. LOL! The Romans certainly didn't say "Well, last year was 1 BC. I think we'll call this one AD 1." That terminology wasn't invented until AD 525. The Romans said "Last year was AUC 753. This one is therefore AUC 754." -- Ken Blake Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: Frank F. Matthews on 14 Oct 2007 19:29 Dave Smith wrote: > Hatunen wrote: > > >>>spoke about "The Europeans displayed their culture in 1914 and again in >>>1936 (Spanish civil war, a most cultural affair), and 1935 (Italy invades >>>Ethiopia, apparently to help the Ethipians learn to appreciate opera), and >>>let's not neglect all the European support for Hitler's anti-semitism, >>>shall we?. " Given the US civil war and wars against its neighbours, the US >>>holds no moral high ground. >> >>Nor hacve I claimed it. All I did was respone to a claim about >>the cultural superiority of Europeans. Since you don't seem to be >>European I'm not clear on why you are so defensive. >> >> >>>>>While there was >>>>>anti-Semitism across all of Europe for centuries, the US treatment of its >>>>>black citizens and the natives hardly puts it on the moral high ground. >>>> >>>>I didn't say it did. What I said is that Europeans don't have a >>>>claim to that high moral and cultural ground either. >>> >>>Nor does the US. >> >>I think you are one of those knee-jerk Canadians who will take >>any opportuntiy for an excuse to argue with an American. > > > > In that case I should point again to the remark you made about the examples > of European culture, like 1914 and the Spanish Civil War. I am not saying > that there is not culture in the US. There are a number of musical venues > where they perform operas and classical music. There are lots of good > French restaurants, Italian restaurants, Chinese restaurants. > > > > >>>You cited the Spanish Civil War. I would think that would be comparable to >>>the US Civil War. >> >>Actually, it wasn't at all like the American Civil War. Just look >>at the root causes of each. As for millions of people, the >>American Civil War didn't manage to kill even one million people. > > > There were roughly 620,000 deaths in the American Civil War, compared to > 500,000 in the Spanish Civil War. I am not sure the exact causes of the > civil wars is relevant, or foreign involvement. They both happened, and > when you look at the various countries in the world and the number of wars > they have fought in and the number they instigated, the US is at or near > the head of the pack. That is not anti Americanism or an excuse to argue > with an America. It's just plain fact. Not a prayer. Either Napoleon or the Brits in India are way in the lead without looking at the other involvement of the respective countries.
From: Dave Smith on 14 Oct 2007 22:46
"Frank F. Matthews" wrote: > > There were roughly 620,000 deaths in the American Civil War, compared to > > 500,000 in the Spanish Civil War. I am not sure the exact causes of the > > civil wars is relevant, or foreign involvement. They both happened, and > > when you look at the various countries in the world and the number of wars > > they have fought in and the number they instigated, the US is at or near > > the head of the pack. That is not anti Americanism or an excuse to argue > > with an America. It's just plain fact. > > Not a prayer. Either Napoleon or the Brits in India are way in the lead > without looking at the other involvement of the respective countries. Okay, then you can be number three, which is near the top. |