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From: Dave Smith on 15 Oct 2007 14:02 "Frank F. Matthews" wrote: > >>Not a prayer. Either Napoleon or the Brits in India are way in the lead > >>without looking at the other involvement of the respective countries. > > > > > > > > Okay, then you can be number three, which is near the top. > > You want some more candidates? The Muslim Caliphates? The Mongols > Khans? Shall we continue to explore history? We could list some of conflicts the US has been in: The American Revolution The Indian Wars ..... many of them from 12275 to 1890 Shays Rebellion The Whiskey Rebellion Quasi-War with France Fries's Rebellion The Barbary Wars War if 181 2Mexican US War US Slave Rebellions Bleeding Kandas US Civil War US Intervention in Jawaiin Revolution Spanish American War US Intervention in Somoan civil war US-Philippine war Boxer Rebellion The Moro Wars US Intervention in Panamanian Revolution The Banana Wars Pershings Raids into Mexico World War I Allied intervention in Russian Civil War World War II Korean War Dominican Intervention US - Libya Conflict US Intervention in Lebanon US Intervention in grenada US Invasion of Panama Desert Storm Somali Intervention Desert Fox Campaign Kosovo Afghan War Iraqi Invasion
From: erilar on 15 Oct 2007 16:26 In article <a2l4h35oqr52q3dnc0p945b08csp451d15(a)4ax.com>, Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote: > As for millions of people, the > American Civil War didn't manage to kill even one million people. A goodly percentage of which were due to disease, at that. -- Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar) You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
From: Dave Smith on 15 Oct 2007 16:27 Hatunen wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:55:50 -0400, Dave Smith > <adavidsmith(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >Hatunen wrote: > > > >> >> >Nor does the US. > >> >> > >> >> I think you are one of those knee-jerk Canadians who will take > >> >> any opportuntiy for an excuse to argue with an American. > >> > > >> > > >> >In that case I should point again to the remark you made about the examples > >> >of European culture, like 1914 and the Spanish Civil War. I am not saying > >> >that there is not culture in the US. There are a number of musical venues > >> >where they perform operas and classical music. There are lots of good > >> >French restaurants, Italian restaurants, Chinese restaurants. > >> > >> "Culture" is, of course, a word far broader than a description > >> of operat or symphony attendance. > > > > > >Okay..... you have that gun culture. And thanks for rap music music, the > >ultimate oxymoron, and bands like the Archies and Monkees. Let's not forget > >McDonalds, Burger King and WalMart. > > You really don't understand the word "culture", do you? Are you suggesting that popular music, retail and restaurant venues are not part of the culture? Perhaps I understand the word better than you do. It can also be extended to sports. Let's not forget religious practices, such as the culture of the Bible Belt where fundamentalism is rampant. Then there is the political system, which is seriously lobbied by that fundamentalist right... all part of the county's culture.
From: Dave Smith on 15 Oct 2007 16:34 Hatunen wrote: > > I mentioned it more or less in passing along with Italy's > invasion of Ethiopa. Some else, you I think, keeps mentioning the > Spanish Civil War, which was pretty brutal, whihc seems to be the > way of civil wars. You mentioned it more or less in passing???? I would suggest that when you said "Europeans displayed their culture in 1914 and again >> in 1936 (Spanish civil war, a most cultural affair), and 1935 >> (Italy invades Ethiopia, apparently to help the Ethipians learn >> to appreciate opera), and let's not neglect all the European >> support for Hitler's anti-semitism, shall we?." that you were siting it quite speficially. > > >So now you are looking at acts of genocide grander in scale that the > >American wars against the native people and the KKK. > > You're just being argumentative. I beg to differ, which you seem to prefer to thinking of in terms of being argumentative, but the only difference is in the scale of the atrocity. A tribe of a few hundred Indians being killed off, or relocated and forced to assimilate assimilate is an act of genocide. The Holocaust was an act of genocide. Both are atrocities. The purges of Stalin were atrocities too. They were done on a greater scale than the Indian Wars. > > -- > ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* > * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * > * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Doesn't Frequently Mop on 15 Oct 2007 18:16
Make credence recognised that on Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:29:40 +0100, "JohnT" <johnSPAMNOT31(a)fastmail.fm> has scripted: >"Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in >message news:fr25h31ql9mt0ndo8mo90qp3cavpo1aq66(a)4ax.com... >> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:45:45 -0700, >> Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> has scripted: >>>Is it your position that one need only study history back to >>>one's birth date? I concess that I wasn't alive until 1937. But >>>the events of the 1930s are still haunting the world. >> >> So are those of the year 0000. > > >There wasn't a year 0000. BC 1 was followed by AD 1. Neither the Greeks nor >the Romans were able to iterate. Were you one of the guys saying the millennium didn't start until 2001? -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |