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From: Frank F. Matthews on 16 Oct 2007 12:50
Doesn't Frequently Mop wrote:
> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:29:40 +0100,
> "JohnT" <johnSPAMNOT31(a)fastmail.fm> has scripted:
>>"Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>>>Make credence recognised that on Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:45:45 -0700,
>>>Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> has scripted:
>>>>Is it your position that one need only study history back to
>>>>one's birth date? I concess that I wasn't alive until 1937. But
>>>>the events of the 1930s are still haunting the world.
>>>So are those of the year 0000.
>>There wasn't a year 0000. BC 1 was followed by AD 1. Neither the Greeks nor
>>the Romans were able to iterate.
> Were you one of the guys saying the millennium didn't start until
Yep. I suppose you were one of the supporters of a 99 year century.
From: Hatunen on 16 Oct 2007 14:08
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:45:56 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
>Dave Smith wrote:
>> "Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
>>>>>Not a prayer. Either Napoleon or the Brits in India are way in the lead
>>>>>without looking at the other involvement of the respective countries.
>>>>Okay, then you can be number three, which is near the top.
>>>You want some more candidates? The Muslim Caliphates? The Mongols
>>>Khans? Shall we continue to explore history?
>> We could list some of conflicts the US has been in:
>> The American Revolution
>> The Indian Wars ..... many of them from 12275 to 1890
>> Shays Rebellion
>> The Whiskey Rebellion
>> Quasi-War with France
>> Fries's Rebellion
>> The Barbary Wars
>> War if 181
>> 2Mexican US War
>> US Slave Rebellions
>> Bleeding Kandas
>> US Civil War
>> US Intervention in Jawaiin Revolution
>> Spanish American War
>> US Intervention in Somoan civil war
>> US-Philippine war
>> Boxer Rebellion
>> The Moro Wars
>> US Intervention in Panamanian Revolution
>> The Banana Wars
>> Pershings Raids into Mexico
>> World War I
>> Allied intervention in Russian Civil War
>> World War II
>> Korean War
>> Dominican Intervention
>> US - Libya Conflict
>> US Intervention in Lebanon
>> US Intervention in grenada
>> US Invasion of Panama
>> Desert Storm
>> Somali Intervention
>> Desert Fox Campaign
>> Afghan War
>> Iraqi Invasion
>Since you are including local insurrections under 3 dozen does leave
>them well off the league tables.
Hell, England had more little wars than that in India if we're
just counting wars.
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From: Dave Smith on 16 Oct 2007 14:31
> >> We could list some of conflicts the US has been in:
> >> The American Revolution
> >> The Indian Wars ..... many of them from 12275 to 1890
> >> Shays Rebellion
> >> The Whiskey Rebellion
> >> Quasi-War with France
> >> Fries's Rebellion
> >> The Barbary Wars
> >> War if 181
> >> 2Mexican US War
> >> US Slave Rebellions
> >> Bleeding Kandas
> >> US Civil War
> >> US Intervention in Jawaiin Revolution
> >> Spanish American War
> >> US Intervention in Somoan civil war
> >> US-Philippine war
> >> Boxer Rebellion
> >> The Moro Wars
> >> US Intervention in Panamanian Revolution
> >> The Banana Wars
> >> Pershings Raids into Mexico
> >> World War I
> >> Allied intervention in Russian Civil War
> >> World War II
> >> Korean War
> >> Dominican Intervention
> >> US - Libya Conflict
> >> US Intervention in Lebanon
> >> US Intervention in grenada
> >> US Invasion of Panama
> >> Desert Storm
> >> Somali Intervention
> >> Desert Fox Campaign
> >> Kosovo
> >> Afghan War
> >> Iraqi Invasion
> >Since you are including local insurrections under 3 dozen does leave
> >them well off the league tables.
> Hell, England had more little wars than that in India if we're
> just counting wars.
Sure, they had lots of little skirmishes to build and maintain their
empire. It isn't easy to be an imperial nation, which seems to be what the
US has become.
From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on 16 Oct 2007 15:29
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Uhhhh.... In case you hadn't noticed, I, too, am a
>>native-born citizen of that "young, upstart nation".
>>However, unlike you I can perceive my country's faults.
> Yes, but you exaggerate some of them in my opinion too.
Probably - but that's usually in response to the "my
country, right or wrong", "love it or leave it" brigade!
> I've said this
> before, and I'll say it again, for things I'm interested in (e.g.
> classical music, visual arts, serious writing, drama, and gloriously
> cheesy Hollywood movies!) the US is extremely vibrant. And influential,
> but influences work both ways in a vibrant arts scene, and that's
> certainly the case in the US too. I also find it ironic for someone who
> loves opera that you don't seem to have much to say about the modern
> opera scene.
"Don't have much to say" because I do not live where I get
to see much of it! Los Angeles has an opera company, true,
but the only "new American opera" they produced while I
lived there was "Fantastic Mr. Fox" which, although
delightful, was basically a chidren's opera, and apparently
not everyone found it as charming as I did. Phoenix does
offer some opera, but the city is so spread out and Arizona
drivers so reckless, I haven't yet found the courage to
explore the music scene here. (Other than a concert by a
supposedly professional Bach group whose soloists made me
wonder whether there are ANY decent voice teachers here!)
Most of my European journeys have been to hear a particular
singer whose career has been largely in Europe. Although he
sang more in the U.S. when he was younger, I didn't discover
him until he was in his late fifties. He has sung a couple
roles with the Met (mostly Golaud in "Pelleas"), but the Met
does not pay as well as the major European houses, so when
his career reached a point where he could pretty much pick
and choose his engagements, he opted to sing closer to home,
most of the time. (Although I've seen him in some very
"innovative" productions of standard repertoire in Zurich,
Bruxelles and Paris.)
> Presumably, it doesn't interest you, but new opera is alive
> and well, and the two most popular opera composers living (and I mean
> that in the audience sense) are Americans, much of their initial work
> being commissioned by US opera houses and then exported. Adams and
I find Adams more listenable than Glass, but all the
minimalists drive me bonkers with their lack of musical
diversity - how often can one hear the same "deedle, deedle,
deedle" repeated (with minimum variation) before one is
tempted to beat one's head against the nearest wall? (Being
an opera singer manqu�, I prefer my opera to have arias and
ensembles that require well-trained voices - recognizeable
TUNES, from time to time do no harm, either!) Mind you, I
would not deny their works the right to be heard, but I'd
just as soon not be in the audience (unless I had free
tickets) - opera and concert tickets, even for
students/senior citizens, are just too expensive to spend
the money when I KNOW I don't care for the work.
From: Doesn't Frequently Mop on 16 Oct 2007 18:48
Make credence recognised that on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:49:18 -0400,
"Frank F. Matthews" <matthews942(a)comcast.net> has scripted:
>Doesn't Frequently Mop wrote:
>> Make credence recognised that on Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:26:14 -0500,
>> erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> has scripted:
>>>In article <a2l4h35oqr52q3dnc0p945b08csp451d15(a)4ax.com>,
>>>Hatunen <hatunen(a)cox.net> wrote:
>>>>As for millions of people, the
>>>>American Civil War didn't manage to kill even one million people.
>>>A goodly percentage of which were due to disease, at that.
>> Of which poverty and lousy nutrition played a great part.
>Actually some modernization of weapons together with a lack of knowledge
>of infection pretty much did the job.
Both of which were helped along with poverty and lousy nutrition. No
actually needed, as it all went hand in hand.
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