From: Fishkill Bill on
Well Cathy and I have returned from two and a half weeks in Germany.
The first ten days were on a Cosmos bus tour and the last seven were
in a rented car.

Here are the places we visited:

Heidelberg-Bacharacher-Cologne-Bremen-Hamburg-Wittenburg-Berlin-Potsdam-Dresden
-Nuremberg-Rothenburg-Nordlington-Neuschwanstein-Munich-Oberommergau
-Peiting-Donauworth-Nordlington-Dinkelsbuhl-Anbach-Nurmberg-Bamberg-
Schonbrunn-Burgebrach-Werzburg-Schwinberg-Tausberbeschofsheim-
Rottingen-Creglingen-Heilbrann-Dieburg-Dormstadt-Buttelborn-Grob-Gerau-Frankfurt.

We would have to say the cities are quite unimpressive. A lot of 50's
style plain looking buildings. The little towns are the cleanest we
have ever seen. Most look the same though. Down near the Alps is
probably the best area.

Driving is a dream in Germany. Not a pothole in the entire country.
Not the most friendly people though, (not like Ireland).

All in all a good trip.

Bill L
From: Erick T. Barkhuis on
Fishkill Bill:
> Well Cathy and I have returned from two and a half weeks in Germany.
> The first ten days were on a Cosmos bus tour and the last seven were
> in a rented car.

That's 17 days, right?
Let's see:
>
> Here are the places we visited:
>
> Heidelberg-Bacharacher-Cologne-Bremen-Hamburg-Wittenburg-Berlin-Potsdam-Dresden
> -Nuremberg-Rothenburg-Nordlington-Neuschwanstein-Munich-Oberommergau
> -Peiting-Donauworth-Nordlington-Dinkelsbuhl-Anbach-Nurmberg-Bamberg-
> Schonbrunn-Burgebrach-Werzburg-Schwinberg-Tausberbeschofsheim-
> Rottingen-Creglingen-Heilbrann-Dieburg-Dormstadt-Buttelborn-Grob-Gerau-Frankfurt.

That's over 30 towns and cities, of which several require at least two or
three full days to only see the center(s) of town.

>
> We would have to say the cities are quite unimpressive. A lot of 50's
> style plain looking buildings.

OK. Got it. Upon arrival at a town, you saw several 50s style buildings,
and decided to carry on to the next city, right?


> The little towns are the cleanest we
> have ever seen. Most look the same though. Down near the Alps is
> probably the best area.

Depends on what you're looking for. If you're a mountainbike rider in
your twenties, you'd love the mountains in the south of Wuerttemburg and
Bavaria.
If you like to ride a bicycle and already reached the age of 70, you
would probably consider Lower Saxony or the Baltic Sea area best.

> Driving is a dream in Germany. Not a pothole in the entire country.

Not quite true, but generally better than in most other places.

> Not the most friendly people though, (not like Ireland).

WHAT!?
NOT friendly?! You *&^%$#@ !!!! :-)


From: erilar on
In article <5j8vf31nb70qdcd7bi5lk3sjadogc47vlr(a)4ax.com>,
Fishkill Bill <lederer123(a)optonline.net> wrote:

> Well Cathy and I have returned from two and a half weeks in Germany.
> The first ten days were on a Cosmos bus tour and the last seven were
> in a rented car.
>
> Here are the places we visited:
>
> Heidelberg-Bacharacher-Cologne-Bremen-Hamburg-Wittenburg-Berlin-Potsdam-Dresde
> n
> -Nuremberg-Rothenburg-Nordlington-Neuschwanstein-Munich-Oberommergau
> -Peiting-Donauworth-Nordlington-Dinkelsbuhl-Anbach-Nurmberg-Bamberg-
> Schonbrunn-Burgebrach-Werzburg-Schwinberg-Tausberbeschofsheim-
> Rottingen-Creglingen-Heilbrann-Dieburg-Dormstadt-Buttelborn-Grob-Gerau-Frankfu
> rt.
Horrible! Sorry, a list that long in 2 1/2 weeks strikes me that
way.
>
> We would have to say the cities are quite unimpressive. A lot of 50's
> style plain looking buildings. The little towns are the cleanest we
> have ever seen. Most look the same though. Down near the Alps is
> probably the best area.
Driving through the middle of a city on your way to several more, I
can't imagine any city being very impressive.
>
> Driving is a dream in Germany. Not a pothole in the entire country.
> Not the most friendly people though, (not like Ireland).

You gave them time to BE friendly?

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Mary, biblioholic

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admire, and consume books in excess.

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From: Runge4 on
not so many potholes as in your own country...

"VainGlorious" <vaingloriousDUMP(a)THIScomcast.net> a �crit dans le message de
news:sdsvf3tc051kfts4v49kl3julf9r05i5gb(a)4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:20:24 -0400, Fishkill Bill
> <lederer123(a)optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Well Cathy and I have returned from two and a half weeks in Germany.
>>The first ten days were on a Cosmos bus tour and the last seven were
>>in a rented car.
>>
>>Here are the places we visited:
>>
>>Heidelberg-Bacharacher-Cologne-Bremen-Hamburg-Wittenburg-Berlin-Potsdam-Dresden
>>-Nuremberg-Rothenburg-Nordlington-Neuschwanstein-Munich-Oberommergau
>>-Peiting-Donauworth-Nordlington-Dinkelsbuhl-Anbach-Nurmberg-Bamberg-
>>Schonbrunn-Burgebrach-Werzburg-Schwinberg-Tausberbeschofsheim-
>>Rottingen-Creglingen-Heilbrann-Dieburg-Dormstadt-Buttelborn-Grob-Gerau-Frankfurt.
>
> In other words, rather than slow down and relax a bit and get to know
> each place even slightly, you rushed right through and walked away
> unimpressed. Wow.
>
>>We would have to say the cities are quite unimpressive. A lot of 50's
>>style plain looking buildings.
>
> Maybe that's because the Americans and British bombed most of Germany
> into dust about 60 years ago. Had that thought ever occurred to you?
>
> At least Germany has an excuse. Why is it that American cities are so
> painfully bland? My guess: because they are populated with people like
> you.
>
>
>>The little towns are the cleanest we
>>have ever seen. Most look the same though. Down near the Alps is
>>probably the best area.
>
> So, when glancing off the highway, you liked the Alpine areas better.
> Well. They must be better, then.
>
>>Driving is a dream in Germany. Not a pothole in the entire country.
>>Not the most friendly people though, (not like Ireland).
>
> Germany and Austria invest in infrastructure. Thus, they have nice
> highways. But if you leave the numbered thoroughfares and venture into
> villages, you will find potholes. Lovely German potholes.
>
> And in those villages, you will find people who speak German. They
> don't understand English. So when some doofus American retiree comes
> waddling up to order lunch and cannot read the menu or engage in
> simple pleasantries in German, the locals aren't impressed.
>
> With that, I dispose of you. I strongly suggest you remain home with
> your idiot wife and stop imposing yourselves on Europe.
>
> And now, a general comment from an American who travels in Europe and
> has a brain (ie, me):
>
> Compared to golly-gee midwestern Americans, Europeans may seem
> somewhat aloof. Since I grew up in urban New Jersey, I have an
> understanding of this cultural affectation. Like New Yorkers,
> Europeans do not suffer fools gladly. That's the crux of it. And
> eastern Europeans are even tougher nuts to crack. They have steep
> requirements before trusting acquaintances. But once you are "in", you
> are IN.
>
> I don't see this as a bad thing. Now that I'm living in the
> plastered-smile insincerity of the American west coast, I yearn for
> the days of honking car horns and soup nazis. At least you knew where
> you stood with New Yorkers. And Europeans are often the same. That's
> partly why I enjoy Europe so much. And eastern Europe in particular.
>
> Here's my favorite anecdote to illustrate the joys of not suffering
> fools gladly:
>
> Twenty years ago, there was a small hamburger stand in central New
> Jersey called "The White Rose". It was housed in a renovated Airstream
> (an aluminum caravan of sorts). At the White Rose, you entered in one
> door, ordered your food, moved along the line, paid at the end then
> got out. They had three choices: hamburger, cheeseburger and
> California cheeseburger. French fries came along. At White Rose, there
> were rules, much like the soup nazi rules. As soon as your turn came
> up to order, you ordered quickly and clearly. If you failed to do so,
> the burger nazi would yell "NEXT!" and you would be elbowed out of the
> line by the next person, who quickly shouted their order.
>
> There was a lot of yelling at the White Rose. But I loved it. I
> particularly loved seeing idiots who had been standing in line five
> minutes (staring at the simple menu) then stammering to place their
> order, be immediately punished and tossed out on their ear. It was a
> place that did not suffer fools gladly.
>
> And oh, how the dispossessed would cry and wail! "Not fair! Wait! I
> want...I want..." as the local businessmen and blue collars literally
> shuffled them out the door to the back of the line.
>
> I'm sure the Cathy's and Bill's of this world would view such behavior
> as rude and un-friendly. But not me. I see it as warm, inclusive and
> invigorating. If only MORE idiots were instantly isolated and
> disregarded, the world would be a better place.
>
> So, meine Europ�isch freunde, nicht nachlassen!
>
> - TR
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From: Lennart Petersen on


"Fishkill Bill" <lederer123(a)optonline.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:5j8vf31nb70qdcd7bi5lk3sjadogc47vlr(a)4ax.com...
> Well Cathy and I have returned from two and a half weeks in Germany.
> The first ten days were on a Cosmos bus tour and the last seven were
> in a rented car.
>
> Here are the places we visited:
>
> Heidelberg-Bacharacher-Cologne-Bremen-Hamburg-Wittenburg-Berlin-Potsdam-Dresden
> -Nuremberg-Rothenburg-Nordlington-Neuschwanstein-Munich-Oberommergau
> -Peiting-Donauworth-Nordlington-Dinkelsbuhl-Anbach-Nurmberg-Bamberg-
> Schonbrunn-Burgebrach-Werzburg-Schwinberg-Tausberbeschofsheim-
> Rottingen-Creglingen-Heilbrann-Dieburg-Dormstadt-Buttelborn-Grob-Gerau-Frankfurt.
>
Real interesting trip to many so far complete unknown places.
As I can see you've managed to misspell at least 15 out of 35 places and
some of them seem to be a mystery. But no wonder when you've been rushing
through with that speed. Was it really Wittenburg, a tiny village in the
middle of nowhere in Mecklenburg ? Grob and Gerau ? Possibly "Gross
Gerau" ?