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From: tim.... on 8 Jun 2010 09:20

"Roland Perry" <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <41as06h9ii5c4md8ciomveqf7db8693qf5(a)4ax.com>, at 12:25:56 on
> Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Joe Curry <jcurry99(a)googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>There are already long haul flights from Newcastle.
>>
>>>I took one a couple of years ago.
>>
>>>Emirates to Dubai.
>>
>>And long haul charters. I think the thrust of the article was
>>scheduled transatlantic services.?
>
> Only because that's the first place airlines think about when considering
> a new Long Haul flight. The transatlantic route is by far the busiest in
> the world,

Are you sure about that?

I understood that the US-SE Asia was the biggest

tim


From: Roland Perry on 8 Jun 2010 10:00
In message <876ue8Fa3pU1(a)mid.individual.net>, at 14:20:42 on Tue, 8 Jun
2010, tim.... <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>> Only because that's the first place airlines think about when considering
>> a new Long Haul flight. The transatlantic route is by far the busiest in
>> the world,
>
>Are you sure about that?
>
>I understood that the US-SE Asia was the biggest

pax per year, four out of top-ten city routes from Europe to outside
Europe:

Heathrow-John F Kennedy Intl 2,871,657
Heathrow-Los Angeles Intl 1,642,424
Heathrow-Chicago Ohare Intl 1,501,274
Heathrow-Washington Dulles Intl 1,042,194

There are no USA-SEasia routes in the top ten worldwide busiest routes
so you'd have to drum up rather a large number of city pairs to make the
grade. None of the online resources I can find even mention the numbers.

--
Roland Perry
From: tim.... on 13 Jun 2010 10:10

"Mizter T" <mizter.t(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 11, 9:06 pm, Roland Perry <rol...(a)perry.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <hutmf8$n9...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 16:58:32 on
> Fri, 11 Jun 2010, William Black <william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
> >[snip]
> >Birmingham to London
>
> >116 miles, just under two hours, but nobody actually ever wants to go
> >to Heathrow.
>
> >If you're flying to London you always want to go somewhere that ISN'T
> >the airport...
>
> Apparently not. BA's own (2008) figures show that the proportion of
> transit (to-rest-of-world) passengers on their regional flights to
> Heathrow are as follows:
>
> Manchester(-LHR) 75%
> Leeds, Newcastle(-LHR) 55-60%
> Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen(-LHR) "almost half".
>
> There's a pattern there, which suggests that if Birmingham-LHR flights
> still existed, it would be well above 75%

I'm not sure I'd be so quick in making that assumption based on those
figures - Birmingham is closer to London (and Heathrow), and my take
on things is that such a short transfer flight might well be shunned
by many

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As it will by people who want to go Birmingham to Heathrow for its own sake.

Hence the reason why the route doesn't run anymore



From: Roland Perry on 13 Jun 2010 10:24
In message <87k77rFa2nU1(a)mid.individual.net>, at 15:10:35 on Sun, 13 Jun
2010, tim.... <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>> Manchester(-LHR) 75%
>> Leeds, Newcastle(-LHR) 55-60%
>> Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen(-LHR) "almost half".
>>
>> There's a pattern there, which suggests that if Birmingham-LHR flights
>> still existed, it would be well above 75%
>
>I'm not sure I'd be so quick in making that assumption based on those
>figures - Birmingham is closer to London (and Heathrow), and my take
>on things is that such a short transfer flight might well be shunned
>by many

There are transfer flights just as short all over the world. The issue
here is getting yourself into the airline system as early and close to
home as possible. It doesn't currently make sense for Birmingham (maybe
because of the M40) but if Heathrow was somewhere near Dartford you'd
find people changing their mind pretty quickly.
--
Roland Perry
From: Buddenbrooks on 13 Jun 2010 10:59

"Roland Perry" <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'd have to ask whether you mean direct flights or via a hub. If you
> have flights to Schiphol, Frankfurt, Paris and Dubai[1], then you can get
> pretty much anywhere in the world on the second leg.
>

For the same reason that you go to a departure hub, there will be a similar
issue the other end.

Local -> UK Hub -> Foreign Hub -> Local

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