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From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy on 14 Jul 2006 12:46 EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Dave Frightens Me wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:18:58 GMT, carolea7(a)comcast.net (Carole Allen) > > wrote: > > > > > >>On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:19:20 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>If one cannot discern that he is a non-native speaker or writer of > >>>English, then that is perfection in practical terms. > >>> > >> > >>How can you determine from what someone has written if that person > >>(someone otherwise unknown to you) is a non-native speaker or writer > >>of English? Stanislas' written English is of better quality than > >>some of the stuff I receive from highly educated Americans born and > >>bred in the States. > > > > > > He said something like "an hotel" a few days back. No mother tonuge > > speaker would make that mistake! > > Really? I've encountered quite a few Brits who do! I say "an hotel" but I think that it's the 11 years in the US wot done it. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
From: Dave Frightens Me on 14 Jul 2006 15:45 On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:46:42 +0100, this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote: >EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Dave Frightens Me wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:18:58 GMT, carolea7(a)comcast.net (Carole Allen) >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >>On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:19:20 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>If one cannot discern that he is a non-native speaker or writer of >> >>>English, then that is perfection in practical terms. >> >>> >> >> >> >>How can you determine from what someone has written if that person >> >>(someone otherwise unknown to you) is a non-native speaker or writer >> >>of English? Stanislas' written English is of better quality than >> >>some of the stuff I receive from highly educated Americans born and >> >>bred in the States. >> > >> > >> > He said something like "an hotel" a few days back. No mother tonuge >> > speaker would make that mistake! >> >> Really? I've encountered quite a few Brits who do! > >I say "an hotel" but I think that it's the 11 years in the US wot done >it. Yeah, actually I guess it happens. But it shouldn't to foreigners! -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- --
From: Dave Frightens Me on 14 Jul 2006 15:48 On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:12:14 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > >Carole Allen wrote: >>>Padraig Breathnach writes: >>> >>> >>>>Your students are hardly a representative sample, as they failed to >>>>achieve a satisfactory standard in English in school. >>> >> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:28:09 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>They are not my only sample. The substandard level of English is >>>almost universal in France. >>> >>>-- >> >> As opposed to perhaps the standard level of French (or any other >> second language) in most American students? > >Never mind "sub-standard" in second languages - what about >the level of ENGLISH in most American students? I think >they no longer allow college professors to grade for >spelling and grammar when marking students' work, because it >would lower the grade averages considerably. Well, unlike other languages, English is defined by usage. The correct version is what's understandable to all. I sure don't hear the English piping up to say there's a correct version of it. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- --
From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy on 14 Jul 2006 15:53 Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:12:14 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: [] > >Never mind "sub-standard" in second languages - what about > >the level of ENGLISH in most American students? I think > >they no longer allow college professors to grade for > >spelling and grammar when marking students' work, because it > >would lower the grade averages considerably. > > Well, unlike other languages, English is defined by usage. The correct > version is what's understandable to all. I sure don't hear the English > piping up to say there's a correct version of it. I think Evelyn's trying to be the best old fogey in the newsgroup. I work with kids a lot, and I really don't get all this "standards are slipping" nonsense. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
From: Dave Frightens Me on 14 Jul 2006 17:16
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:51:41 +0200, ~* Magda ~* <magda(a)chrisecc.dk> wrote: >On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:45:51 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Dave Frightens Me ><deepfreudmoors(a)eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like >this: > > > ... >I say "an hotel" but I think that it's the 11 years in the US wot done > ... >it. > ... > ... Yeah, actually I guess it happens. But it shouldn't to foreigners! > >What do you know? Maybe Stanislas has spent years on the other side of the Atlantic. Cosa me ne frega, volevi dire. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |