Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
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From: JohnT on 21 Jun 2010 12:14 "a" <pappson(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:a661c5b0-3f2a-48c1-9f46-6ef91ca3fb02(a)z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Mxsmanic" <mxsma...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:cvbu16h0vm8l1mq9s5srav5371afumsek7(a)4ax.com... >> >> > Hatunen writes: >> >> >> Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the >> >> personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I >> >> used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line). >> >> > Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets >> > is >> > expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be >> > the >> > other way around: CPL, then jets. >> >> Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert. >> -- >> JohnT > > Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real > jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the > appropriate type rating. > > Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what > certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by > the FAA? > The RAF. -- JohnT
From: atlieb on 21 Jun 2010 13:54 On Jun 21, 11:14 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "a" <papp...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:a661c5b0-3f2a-48c1-9f46-6ef91ca3fb02(a)z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Mxsmanic" <mxsma...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >>news:cvbu16h0vm8l1mq9s5srav5371afumsek7(a)4ax.com... > > >> > Hatunen writes: > > >> >> Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the > >> >> personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I > >> >> used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line). > > >> > Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets > >> > is > >> > expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be > >> > the > >> > other way around: CPL, then jets. > > >> Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert. > >> -- > >> JohnT > > > Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real > > jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the > > appropriate type rating. > > > Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what > > certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by > > the FAA? > > The RAF. > -- > JohnT- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Is it the RAF or FAA? http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8710-1a.pdf See block B
From: jimp on 21 Jun 2010 14:52 In rec.aviation.piloting atlieb(a)gmail.com <atlieb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 21, 11:14 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "a" <papp...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:a661c5b0-3f2a-48c1-9f46-6ef91ca3fb02(a)z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> "Mxsmanic" <mxsma...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:cvbu16h0vm8l1mq9s5srav5371afumsek7(a)4ax.com... >> >> >> > Hatunen writes: >> >> >> >> Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the >> >> >> personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I >> >> >> used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line). >> >> >> > Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets >> >> > is >> >> > expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be >> >> > the >> >> > other way around: CPL, then jets. >> >> >> Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert. >> >> -- >> >> JohnT >> >> > Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real >> > jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the >> > appropriate type rating. >> >> > Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what >> > certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by >> > the FAA? >> >> The RAF. >> -- >> JohnT- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Is it the RAF or FAA? > > http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8710-1a.pdf > > See block B That's to get your military training recognized by the FAA for a civilian certificate. Military pilots flying miltary aircraft have military "certificates", at least in the US. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: a on 21 Jun 2010 15:22 On Jun 21, 1:54 pm, "atl...(a)gmail.com" <atl...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 21, 11:14 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "a" <papp...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:a661c5b0-3f2a-48c1-9f46-6ef91ca3fb02(a)z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" <johntspam...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> "Mxsmanic" <mxsma...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:cvbu16h0vm8l1mq9s5srav5371afumsek7(a)4ax.com... > > > >> > Hatunen writes: > > > >> >> Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the > > >> >> personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I > > >> >> used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line). > > > >> > Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets > > >> > is > > >> > expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be > > >> > the > > >> > other way around: CPL, then jets. > > > >> Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert. > > >> -- > > >> JohnT > > > > Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real > > > jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the > > > appropriate type rating. > > > > Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what > > > certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by > > > the FAA? > > > The RAF. > > -- > > JohnT- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Is it the RAF or FAA? > > http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8710-1a.pdf > > See block B I may be misreading that block, but it appears to be a way for a person with military credentials of some form to apply for civilian certification.
From: Hatunen on 21 Jun 2010 15:43
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:24:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hatunen writes: > >> While a heavy jet is a big sucker with a very complex panel >> (although lighter aircraft are now sporting some pretty >> compicated-looking electronci panels now) the principals are >> basic for any one who has flown a plane for even a short time: >> keep it level except coordinated turns. To land glide down to >> near stall speed, flare at the runway apron and make it stall >> just as the wheels tough the runway. > >In an emergency, a person who isn't a pilot certified for the aircraft in >question needs to use the automation, not take the controls manually. The >latter can easily lead to disaster. I so note further down. >The problem is that you need actual practice in an airplane in order to become >good at handling the controls, or you need to find an expensive, full-motion >simulator for the same purpose. Having experience in a vastly different >airplane won't help you much. Well, duh. It depends on what you're trying to do. [Rest of obvious stuff deleted] -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |