Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
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From: george on 22 Jun 2010 16:45 On Jun 23, 5:21 am, Mxsmanic <mxsma...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In the future, I suspect that pilots will be trained without any time in a > real aircraft, mainly to save money. Just when you think he couldn't get any sillier he does.
From: Hatunen on 22 Jun 2010 17:54 On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:26:18 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hatunen writes: >> Andalthough they no longer teach it, a PC >> cannot simulate the quiet but scary feeling f being in a spin and >> the slight panic as you try to bring it out of that spin. > >Since they no longer teach it, doesn't that mean that there are no longer any >Real Pilots? How can you know anything about a spin without spinning in a >real aircraft? Well, my instructor, who insisted on teaching spins to me although no longer required for certification said there weren't any more real pilots. I guess you don't have to know how to recover from a spin if you don't spin. >> And the PC can not simulate the visual context of a real plane >> where the instruments are spread out; you'd have to keep your >> nose pretty close to the monitor to simulate this. > >Actually, the PC can do this, with the right add-ons. Like an add-on dual monitor? I fail to see how a PC can realistically give the sensation of an instrument panel over two feet across. >> As to Mixie's apparent idea that somehow his PC is a good >> emulation of a big-time simulator, where the cockpit layout is >> very close to the appearance of the craft's real cockpit and >> where the hydraulics on the simulator can create most of the >> bumps and jerks of real flight, that is downright ludicrous. > >I guess you haven't been flying or simming much recently. The cockpit layout >of the sim is realistic enough that you may not recognize it as a sim at first >glance. It's not difficult to display photo-realistic visuals, after all. Unless your computer chair can bounce up and down and lean left and right, it's not the same. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: jimp on 22 Jun 2010 18:09 In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hatunen writes: > >> But you're still required to actually fly a plane to get >> certified. > > That is a regulatory rather than a practical restriction. And you only need a > very small number of hours of flight in a real aircraft. > > In the future, I suspect that pilots will be trained without any time in a > real aircraft, mainly to save money. Delusional. >> Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall? > > Yes. Sure it does, including the feeling of falling when the stall breaks and the increased G load as you pull out. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: jimp on 22 Jun 2010 18:16 In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hatunen writes: >> Nor can it realistically >> simulate the feeling of aiming the plane at a real runway and >> trying your best to grease the wheels on, but instead coming in a >> bit high and trying to force the plne down to the runway without >> bouncing too much. > > Actually it does that rather well. Delusional. The view looks like a flat screen and there is no peripherial view. >> A PC can never simulate that feeling in the >> pit of your stomache when teh plane hits a downdraft and loses >> 2000 feet just like that. > > Like many private pilots, you think of flight in terms of physical sensations. The physical sensations of a downdraft are real in real airplanes and you have to learn to deal with them to fly real airplanes. >> A PC can not give you the feel of a plane as it is slowed to >> stall speen with the stall warning blaring and the plane >> shuddering a little. Andalthough they no longer teach it, a PC >> cannot simulate the quiet but scary feeling f being in a spin and >> the slight panic as you try to bring it out of that spin. > > Since they no longer teach it, doesn't that mean that there are no longer any > Real Pilots? How can you know anything about a spin without spinning in a > real aircraft? Wrong. Yes spins are still taught, they are just not a requirement for private. >> And the PC can not simulate the visual context of a real plane >> where the instruments are spread out; you'd have to keep your >> nose pretty close to the monitor to simulate this. > > Actually, the PC can do this, with the right add-ons. Sure if you have a 360 degree wrap around display. Do you? >> As to Mixie's apparent idea that somehow his PC is a good >> emulation of a big-time simulator, where the cockpit layout is >> very close to the appearance of the craft's real cockpit and >> where the hydraulics on the simulator can create most of the >> bumps and jerks of real flight, that is downright ludicrous. > > I guess you haven't been flying or simming much recently. The cockpit layout > of the sim is realistic enough that you may not recognize it as a sim at first > glance. It's not difficult to display photo-realistic visuals, after all. Since it is all on a small (compared to even a C150 panel) 2 dimensional flat screen, only someone delusional could not immediately tell it is a display. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: Mxsmanic on 22 Jun 2010 19:16
Hatunen writes: > Well, my instructor, who insisted on teaching spins to me > although no longer required for certification said there weren't > any more real pilots. It's a judgment call. Spin practice is no longer required because more pilots were dying from spins during training than were dying from spins during flight thereafter. The cure was worse than the disease. So the emphasis was shifted to avoiding spins, rather than recovering from them, at least for PPLs. > I guess you don't have to know how to recover from a spin if you > don't spin. Exactly. It's safer to practice avoiding spins, but to only learn the theory of spin recovery. > Like an add-on dual monitor? No. Look up TrackIR. > I fail to see how a PC can > realistically give the sensation of an instrument panel over two > feet across. See above. > Unless your computer chair can bounce up and down and lean left > and right, it's not the same. As I've said, a lot of private pilots seem to give physical sensations priority over everything else. But there's a lot more to flying than a roller-coaster ride. I don't care much for the physical sensations myself, although takeoff and landing are kind of pleasant if they are smooth. |