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From: Roland Perry on 13 Jun 2010 11:36
In message <on6Rn.28364$Cw6.25950(a)hurricane>, at 15:59:32 on Sun, 13 Jun
2010, Buddenbrooks <knightstemplar(a)budweiser.com> remarked:
>> I'd have to ask whether you mean direct flights or via a hub. If you
>> have flights to Schiphol, Frankfurt, Paris and Dubai[1], then you can
>>get pretty much anywhere in the world on the second leg.
>
>For the same reason that you go to a departure hub, there will be a
>similar issue the other end.
>
>Local -> UK Hub -> Foreign Hub -> Local

Depends where you are going. My last trip was to Hyderabad, and some
people seemed desperate (or ill-informed enough) to take a local flight
from New Delhi.

Having heard the travellers tales from a meeting I narrowly missed,
three years ago, I have vowed not to do that. So I have to choose
somewhere that flies direct to Hyderabad from outside India. There are
surprisingly few, limited to: London (BA), Frankfurt, Singapore and
Dubai. So I chose Dubai, having had a bad experience at Frankfurt
recently. It was �650 return for a flexible ticket from Birmingham, and
I doubt BA could match that from London.
--
Roland Perry
From: William Black on 13 Jun 2010 13:31
On 13/06/10 15:24, Roland Perry wrote:

if Heathrow was somewhere near Dartford you'd
> find people changing their mind pretty quickly.

And if my granny had wheels she'd be a cart, but she isn't...

All you'd get would be a lot of people not flying to Heathrow from Leeds

--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.

From: Roland Perry on 13 Jun 2010 16:10
In message <hv34lc$u3s$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 18:31:26 on
Sun, 13 Jun 2010, William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
> if Heathrow was somewhere near Dartford you'd
>> find people changing their mind pretty quickly.
>
>And if my granny had wheels she'd be a cart, but she isn't...
>
>All you'd get would be a lot of people not flying to Heathrow from
>Leeds

But enough flying to make a viable route.
--
Roland Perry
From: William Black on 13 Jun 2010 18:23
On 13/06/10 21:10, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <hv34lc$u3s$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 18:31:26 on
> Sun, 13 Jun 2010, William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> if Heathrow was somewhere near Dartford you'd
>>> find people changing their mind pretty quickly.
>>
>> And if my granny had wheels she'd be a cart, but she isn't...
>>
>> All you'd get would be a lot of people not flying to Heathrow from Leeds
>
> But enough flying to make a viable route.

Don't know about that.

Leeds to the Dartford Tunnel is about three and a half hours driving time.

With a three hour check-in before flying on an international flight and
a minimum one hour transit time across a major London airport it doesn't
really make sense not to drive/train/bus down to London even if you want
to use the London airport as a hub.

Plus very few people travel east to go to Leeds airport. Manchester is
a lot easier for people on that side of the country.

The major issue for most people using UK domestic airports to get an
onwards flight from Heathrow is the lack of porters on our railway system.

--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.

From: Roland Perry on 14 Jun 2010 01:15
In message <hv3lov$1uc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 23:23:30 on
Sun, 13 Jun 2010, William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> remarked:

>>> if Heathrow was somewhere near Dartford you'd
>>>> find people changing their mind pretty quickly.
>>>
>>> And if my granny had wheels she'd be a cart, but she isn't...
>>>
>>> All you'd get would be a lot of people not flying to Heathrow from Leeds
>>
>> But enough flying to make a viable route.
>
>Don't know about that.
>
>Leeds to the Dartford Tunnel is about three and a half hours driving time.
>
>With a three hour check-in before flying on an international flight and
>a minimum one hour transit time across a major London airport it
>doesn't really make sense not to drive/train/bus down to London even if
>you want to use the London airport as a hub.

The check-in time at Leeds wouldn't be three hours for a hop to London
(regardless of where you go to afterwards) so you've got that sum
backwards.

The conservative check-in time at Heathrow may well be three hours, but
transit should be possible in an hour and a half, so working backwards
for a flight at (say) 10am you get:

arr Leeds airport 05.30 dep Leeds (by car) 03.00
dep Leeds airport 07.30 arr Heathrow parking 06.30
arr LHR 08.30 arr Heathrow checkin 07.00
dep LHR 10.00 dep LHR 10.00

>Plus very few people travel east to go to Leeds airport. Manchester is
>a lot easier for people on that side of the country.

You are the one who mentioned Leeds.

>The major issue for most people using UK domestic airports to get an
>onwards flight from Heathrow is the lack of porters on our railway
>system.

I agree that getting across London with luggage is an issue, which is
why one of my other interests is researching ways to do that as
step-free as possible. Once you are at Paddington, then it's not too
much of a problem any more. No more so than when you arrive at Heathrow
by car (no porters there, either). Of course, using a smaller regional
airport to do the first hop (maybe to Paris or Schiphol rather than
Heathrow) is much easier, baggage-wise, than Heathrow.
--
Roland Perry
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