From: Joe Curry on
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC), Mister Niceguy
<mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:


>> These people have obviously opted out of society, so they can jog on.
>> They can just stay at home in their miserable old bachelor pad and
>> have another microwave meal for one while scouring the dating channels
>> or writing letters of complaints to themselves...

>maybe they could spend some useful time helping improve the lives of
>children rather than complaining when others can't manage.

Nobody can possibly know the public lives of posters, personally I
think it's unfair to put labels on anyone based on their
contributions.


From: Roland Perry on
In message <Xns9DCE6A9CEB924niceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90>, at 09:28:37
on Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Mister Niceguy <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com>
remarked:
>Fortunately, people have always moved before being asked, as indeed I
>would if travelling without childen, knowing what that family has just
>suffered.

It's not just children that make people want to move.

On my last longhaul flight the 4-abreast seating in the middle of the
widebody jet was reserved as <me><child><mother<random bloke> and she
insisted on being moved because she did not want to "sit next to a man".

I was perhaps less sympathetic than I might be because her first
solution was to try to re-arrange us <mother><child><me><random bloke>
and I had especially wanted an aisle seat. I say rearrange, she had
plonked herself in my seat, reluctant to move, not saying why she had
done it until later.

Eventually she was found an empty seat somewhere else on the plane, and
her child (who stayed behind) spent most of the trip jabbing me in the
ribs with his elbow while he played shoot-up games on the in-flight
entertainment.

Another time, maybe she could reserve an aisle seat if it matters that
much. Grumpy? Yes, a bit; but I've seen a lot worse.

>>>Families are boarded first (or passengers thus re-arranged) so they
>can
>>>sit together. Yes. Or would you rather have a 2 year old next to you
>>>and their mum or dad 10 rows back? It's for your benefit as much as
>>>theirs.
>>
>> Precisely, get there first for these perfectly acceptable concessions.
>> It was the late arrivers that started this discussion.
>
>But do you think they're arriving late deliberately? I doubt it.

I think they are probably late because they didn't plan well enough. For
example, most gate areas have toilets nearby, that that's a weak excuse.

>I'd like to see you manage a family in the perfect way you expect from
>others.

If you'd travelled with me you would - we used to get praise from other
passengers, including remarks like "we didn't even realise the was a
child in the next row".
--
Roland Perry
From: Buddenbrooks on

"Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9DCE690C384ACniceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90...
> "Buddenbrooks" <knightstemplar(a)budweiser.com> wrote in
> news:ZXr7o.113363$Ds3.101693(a)hurricane:
>
>>
>> "Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9DCDF29208644niceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90...
>> >
> I do the best to bring my children up as wholesome
> healthy adults. I'm sure people along the way have found them annoying
> but that's tough. > However if people do want to take their children to
> Florida then they
> can. You can always fly business class via JFK if you want peace.

You are clearly a very selfish individual with a 'I'll do what I want and FU
attitude'

..


From: Mister Niceguy on
Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote in news:I7VFh9s6+oXMFAA5
@perry.co.uk:

> In message <Xns9DCE6A9CEB924niceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90>, at 09:28:37
> on Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Mister Niceguy <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com>
> remarked:
>>Fortunately, people have always moved before being asked, as indeed I
>>would if travelling without childen, knowing what that family has just
>>suffered.
>
> It's not just children that make people want to move.
>
> On my last longhaul flight the 4-abreast seating in the middle of the
> widebody jet was reserved as <me><child><mother<random bloke> and she
> insisted on being moved because she did not want to "sit next to a
man".
>
> I was perhaps less sympathetic than I might be because her first
> solution was to try to re-arrange us <mother><child><me><random bloke>
> and I had especially wanted an aisle seat. I say rearrange, she had
> plonked herself in my seat, reluctant to move, not saying why she had
> done it until later.

I agree that's out of order.

> Eventually she was found an empty seat somewhere else on the plane,
and
> her child (who stayed behind) spent most of the trip jabbing me in the
> ribs with his elbow while he played shoot-up games on the in-flight
> entertainment.
>
> Another time, maybe she could reserve an aisle seat if it matters that
> much. Grumpy? Yes, a bit; but I've seen a lot worse.

Well that's a bad experience I'll concede. But not one I've ever had.
I've had a fat bloke next to me, overlapping the armrest before. That
was testing.

>>>>Families are boarded first (or passengers thus re-arranged) so they
>>can
>>>>sit together. Yes. Or would you rather have a 2 year old next to
you
>>>>and their mum or dad 10 rows back? It's for your benefit as much as
>>>>theirs.
>>>
>>> Precisely, get there first for these perfectly acceptable
concessions.
>>> It was the late arrivers that started this discussion.
>>
>>But do you think they're arriving late deliberately? I doubt it.
>
> I think they are probably late because they didn't plan well enough.
For
> example, most gate areas have toilets nearby, that that's a weak
excuse.

Well I don't know why they were late and neither do you. But there are
so many things that can happen, some of which parents anticipate and
some they don't, when having a family in tow that simply don't happen to
a lone traveller. I suspect the parents did what they thought would
work, though.

>>I'd like to see you manage a family in the perfect way you expect from
>>others.
>
> If you'd travelled with me you would - we used to get praise from
other
> passengers, including remarks like "we didn't even realise the was a
> child in the next row".

Well you're a natural, then. Or lucky. We think we did pretty well but
we never did figure out how to handle a child who hated sitting in their
seat for more than a few minutes. Under the circumstances we think we
did very well, but that didn't stop the scowls from those who didn't (or
couldn't).
From: Mister Niceguy on
"Buddenbrooks" <knightstemplar(a)budweiser.com> wrote in
news:8py7o.39483$7Z3.18737(a)hurricane:

>
> "Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DCE690C384ACniceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90...
>> "Buddenbrooks" <knightstemplar(a)budweiser.com> wrote in
>> news:ZXr7o.113363$Ds3.101693(a)hurricane:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mister Niceguy" <mister.niceguy(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9DCDF29208644niceguyonzetnet(a)94.75.214.90...
>>> >
> > I do the best to bring my children up as wholesome
>> healthy adults. I'm sure people along the way have found them
>> annoying but that's tough. > However if people do want to take their
>> children to Florida then they
>> can. You can always fly business class via JFK if you want peace.
>
> You are clearly a very selfish individual with a 'I'll do what I want
> and FU attitude'

I call it tolerance. Something we need more of in our society rather than
pandering to grumpy upstarts like you.

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