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From: markzoom on 15 Dec 2006 04:49 flaviaR(a)verizon.net wrote: > On 14-Dec-2006, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > > >> > > >> >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel > > >> > and > > >> > denouncing anti-Semitism. > > >> > > >> By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > > > > > > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > > > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL > > NO, IT IS NOT. > The chanukiah "menorah" used at Chanukah has eight branches and one in > the middle; the Israeli Menorah has six and one in the middle. It is > distinctly > different and for a reason that bigots like markzoom will never grasp - and > on > purpose. A menorah is used both as the Israeli state symbol and at Chanuka. Are you saying one isn't a menorah, stupid? > > > > Like the > > > eagle is to the US!: > > > > > > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > > > > > > I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state > > > emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. > > Which is, of course, why no one is suggesting it. Know any other countries who use a menorah for a state emblem? > > > > But hey, maybe > > > yanks should know who their real masters are. > > > > That's stupid. > > Yes, he is. > > > Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. > > Here, many regard it as a religious symbol. If we're going to let one > > religious symbol be displayed on public property at public expense, we > > should let all of them be displayed. > > Exactly. Can't wait to see jewish enterprises open to the public being made to display religious swastikas and crescent moons and all manner of other non-jewish religious paraphernalia. > > Susan
From: constantinopoli on 15 Dec 2006 05:09 Ray Fischer wrote: > <constantinopoli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > > >> I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments > >> rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something > >> really absurd like airport security... > > > >That attitude could help explain why socialist countries have such a > >reputation for being ugly, spirit-killing places. > > That's either sarcasm or appalling ignorance and jingoism. Ah yes, ignorance and jingoism is the reason I am familiar with perceptions such as the following: "Minsk is drawn as the quintessential Soviet city - drab, ugly, starved of its soul." "a false, Soviet-imposed culture that must be replaced with something real" "A recurring theme through much of the narrative is the literal and figurative drabness and monotony of the Soviet "culture" that sought to displace the language, religion, customs, and other cultural expressions of the borderland peoples." http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~sarmatia/196/Gajda.html "Window shopping is not a widespread practice in Moscow, where shops, for the most part, are bleak and utilitarian outlets for scarce goods. Window displays are usually unimaginative pyramids of faded goods, working hours are roughly stenciled onto ill-fitted doors and store names are usually confined to stark descriptions of offered wares: ''meat,'' ''shoes,'' ''produce,'' ''books.''" "a city of monotonously drab and unvarying storefronts and in a society where Western luxuries are rarely on public view" http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=travel&res=9D02E7DF1F38F932A25754C0A967948260
From: Mark K. Bilbo on 15 Dec 2006 07:29 On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:42:48 -0800, markzoom wrote: > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:36:56 -0800, markzoom wrote: >> >> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and >> >> >> > denouncing anti-Semitism. >> >> >> >> >> >> By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? >> >> > >> >> > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. >> >> > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the >> >> > eagle is to the US!: >> >> > >> >> > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp >> >> > >> >> > I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state >> >> > emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe >> >> > yanks should know who their real masters are. >> >> >> >> That's stupid. >> > >> > Oh? I bet there would be an army of zionist shysters beating down doors >> > if a Muslim Iman insisted on an 8' crescent and moon displayed at US >> > airports on Muslim religious holidays. >> >> Well, they'd have to live with it wouldn't they? Just like they *do live >> with it in areas where allowing representations from all the major faiths >> are allowed. You *do know we already do this right? > > Hehehe, I can imagine how jewish owned enterprises open to the public > would react to having to display a swastika, or crescent moon+star. What are you talking about? What people do on their own property isn't the issue. >> >> Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. >> > >> > So you wouldn't mind an 8' swastika, a symbol used in various current >> > and recognised religions, either then? >> >> If it was a legitimate part of their religion and not adopted post-WWII to >> make a "point," I'd be fine with it. > > You, maybe, but there'd be hordes who wouldn't. Then they would have to get over it wouldn't they? >> > Many of those that know a Menorah is the official emblem of the Israeli >> > government would see it as a symbol of another invasion of territory. >> >> Invade who? Us? That would be laughable. > > Not really. The US is pretty much controlled by a tiny zionist > minority. Oh, I get it. You're a loon. >> >> Here, many regard it as a religious symbol. >> > >> > In the US, only less than 2% do. Did you know that there are just as >> > many muslims as jews in the US, btw? >> >> So what? I don't see anything in the Constitution nor Bill of Rights that >> specifies percentages. > > Just letting you know who the biggest whiners are, it sure isn't the > quiet muslims. Are you saying "good" minorities keep their mouths shut instead of acting as if their equal under the law? >> >> If we're going to let one >> >> religious symbol be displayed on public property at public expense, we >> >> should let all of them be displayed. >> > >> > You'll find that many places won't display anything at all instead of >> > being forced to incur the expense of purchasing and managing the >> > displays of dozens of minority religions on their festivals year round. >> >> Then maybe they should spend tax money on what tax money is *for. You >> know, fixing potholes, airport security, things like that. > > I'm atheist, sounds fine with me. It would solve the problem entirely. >> > In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too.... and a blow >> > to freedom. >> >> Not having tax funded blinky lights on plastic trees is a "blow to freedom?" > > Laws being imposed on what, how many and whose religious symbols being > displayed would. What are you talking about? >> Maybe to kooks... > > Religious kooks, yes. Yeah, okay. Sure. Whatever. -- Mark K. Bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------ "As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless." -Abraham Lincoln
From: Mark K. Bilbo on 15 Dec 2006 07:30 On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:42:03 +0000, flaviaR wrote: > On 14-Dec-2006, "Sancho Panza" <otterpower(a)xhotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > Try to explain why one group shouuld have the right of display and >> another >> > > should not. >> > >> > Simple. Because one is celebrating an official national holiday and the >> > other is not. >> > >> > Any more questions? >> >> Yes. That neglects to explain why there aren't similar decorations for New >> Year's, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Veterans' Day, Columbus Day, etc etc > > And it also begs the question of why we violate our Constitution > with a "National Holiday" that is clearly religious in nature. > So when we finally get Xmas undeclared a national holiday, > we all know who the outraged Xians will have to thank for bringing > the injustice & violation to our attention. Um... oops! -- Mark K. Bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------ "...otherwise, we're looking at the potential of this kind of world:.... a world in which oil reserves are controlled by radicals in order to extract blackmail from the West..." -George Bush Wait... oil reserves?
From: Mark K. Bilbo on 15 Dec 2006 07:30
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:19:33 -0800, Tchiowa wrote: > flaviaR(a)verizon.net wrote: >> On 14-Dec-2006, "Sancho Panza" <otterpower(a)xhotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > > Try to explain why one group shouuld have the right of display and >> > another >> > > > should not. >> > > >> > > Simple. Because one is celebrating an official national holiday and the >> > > other is not. >> > > >> > > Any more questions? >> > >> > Yes. That neglects to explain why there aren't similar decorations for New >> > Year's, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Veterans' Day, Columbus Day, etc etc >> >> And it also begs the question of why we violate our Constitution >> with a "National Holiday" that is clearly religious in nature. >> So when we finally get Xmas undeclared a national holiday, >> we all know who the outraged Xians will have to thank for bringing >> the injustice & violation to our attention. > > If anyone doubted that the root of this is a "war on Christmas" then > this reference to undeclaring Christmas as a national holiday is final > proof. Went right over your head did it now? -- Mark K. Bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------ "Creationists criticize evolutionists for the demeaning idea of 'coming from apes' and say that man is more noble than that, and then have sermons where man is called a miserable worm worthy to be burned eternally in hell." -William Bagley |