Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
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From: Tchiowa on 14 Dec 2006 20:58 Sancho Panza wrote: > "Tchiowa" <tchiowa2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1166142337.379979.249960(a)l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Sancho Panza wrote: > > > <constantinopoli(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1166134980.971609.224110(a)n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Thus there is no basis for complaint that Christmas trees and not > > > > menorahs were displayed. To complain about such a think is like > > > > complaining that banana trees and not orange trees were displayed. > > > > > > Try to explain why one group shouuld have the right of display and > another > > > should not. > > > > Simple. Because one is celebrating an official national holiday and the > > other is not. > > > > Any more questions? > > Yes. That neglects to explain why there aren't similar decorations for New > Year's, Calendars, babies, old men with sickles. > Labor Day, Memorial Day, Cemetaries, flowers > Veterans' Day, Flags, > Columbus Day, Old spanish ships > etc etc There are symbols that have evolved for every type of celebration.
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 21:15 James A. Donald: > > > > But Xmastime is the time of the return of the > > > > sun - it follows the shortest day of the year. > > > > Nothing directly to do, except symbolically, > > > > with the birth of that notorious Jewish heretic > > > > that you seem to be so remarkably upset by. Mike Hunt > > > That is the point. It is symbolically linked to > > > the birth of Christ, hence the name of the > > > holiday. James A. Donald: > > But then, your basic grievance, or flavia's basic > > grievance, is having a holiday on christmas, flaviaR(a)verizon.net > You know you've lost more than the argument when you > have to tell such major whoppers like this. Read your own words. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 21:21 On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:30:55 -0500, "Sancho Panza" > The rabbi didn't complain about the trees. He made a > request for his own display. Quite a difference there. His legal claim, the basis of his lawsuit, is that the airport could not do a secular Christmas display without also displaying Jewish religous and national symbols, which if conceded leads to every damned real and fabricated group claiming you cannot do a secular Christmas display without also including their symbols, and their symbols in a size and prominence they deem appropriate, and in some cases, as with Kwanzaa, their symbols will be as offensive and confrontational as they can concoct them. We already had this business over mangers. The Supreme court took the position that you could have a manger, provided it was a minor part of a secular christmas display. But then every manger was met by an unending stream of "requests", until no one dared put out a manger. And now that we have conceded no mangers, the same tactic is being applied to ensure no Christmas trees either. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 21:25 On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:52:31 -0800, "PTravel" > Even granting that the Christmas tree is secular (and > I don't believe that it is), it is definitely not > all-sectarian. It evidently includes Hindus, ancestor worshippers, and animists, they being part of "peace on earth and goodwill to all men" So why not Jews and Muslims? Because some Jews and many Muslims don't *want* to be included, not because they are excluded, but because they intransigently and unpleasantly fight off attempts to include them. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 21:32
"Anarcissie" > > Of course there is not an impermeable barrier > > between religious and non-religious Winter Solstice > > symbols and practices. For instance, some > > Christians have been noticed adopting the menorah, flaviaR(a)verizon.net > Oh good grief - why can't they just leave us alone???? A moment ago, you were arguing for mandatory inclusion of the menorah. As I said, no concessions can possibly settle this dispute, for your basic objection is to a society in so many people celebrate christmas that things come to a stop. Any concession is merely a starting point for further demands, for the real demand is to stop christmas -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |