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From: Bartender Sam on 15 Jun 2007 16:16

"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
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>
>
> Not saying I am unhappy with a show of force by the police, I was just
> wondering how an assault rifle that will not be used, is useful in crowd
> control. I've never been shot by a .223 cal, but I'm relieved to hear they
> are "not any big deal". If that is so they why would troops use them?


Well it leaves a small entry would but the round likes to bounce around your
innards for a bit before it either exits or stops. Also note that
intimidation is crowd control as well. They also probably had a grenade
launcher on them for (CS) tear gas deployment.

I imagine that rubber bullets could be used as well instead of a .223 ammo


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>
> A drunken crowd who are too off their heads to know when to stop vs a
> bunch of outnumbered, perhaps scared, cops with guns is a recipe for a
> tragedy. Anyone remember Kent State? Go look it up on Wikipedia. Batons
> and body armour would be better.
>


From: Paragon on 15 Jun 2007 19:40

"Bartender Sam" <bartendersam(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
> news:4672662e$1_4(a)mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>
>>
>> Not saying I am unhappy with a show of force by the police, I was just
>> wondering how an assault rifle that will not be used, is useful in crowd
>> control. I've never been shot by a .223 cal, but I'm relieved to hear
>> they are "not any big deal". If that is so they why would troops use
>> them?
>
>
> Well it leaves a small entry would but the round likes to bounce around
> your innards for a bit before it either exits or stops. Also note that
> intimidation is crowd control as well. They also probably had a grenade
> launcher on them for (CS) tear gas deployment.
>
> I imagine that rubber bullets could be used as well instead of a .223 ammo
>
>


I missed this post, so let me piggyback on Sam's. They are not a big deal
in that you don't have to run screaming down the street as if there is a
Sherman tank after you. They are rifles, and not 50 caliber either. They
LOOK evil, and they can do damage, but it was likely the looks the cops were
after. IF they were ARs.
And Sam is correct about launching tear gas.


From: jgrove24 on 15 Jun 2007 20:53
On Jun 15, 5:16 am, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
> <jgrov...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1181865541.017597.95740(a)j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 14, 6:45 pm, "Paragon" <cybe...(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4671c367$1_2(a)mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> >> > Under what circumstances would the "large assault rifles" be used? Seems
> >> > like either a show of force with no intent to use, or a serious incident
> >> > waiting to happen.
>
> >> "large assault rifles"? Everything looks large to idiot reporters who can't
> >> tell a pistol from a revolver. Unless someone can link to a photo of this,
> >> I'd say what they saw were shotguns......the shotguns can shoot beanbags and
> >> other non-lethal projectiles. Otherwise, they were simply AR-15s, which are
> >> what our troops use. They shoot .223 caliber, and are not any big deal. No
> >> more than any other rifle. In a situation such as a near riot, I'll take
> >> all the intimidation factor I can get! ;)
>
> > They were ar-15s, OPD wanted to do a full show and be ready in case
> > anyone
> > wanted trouble.
>
> > At least some authorities are facing reality:
>
> Not saying I am unhappy with a show of force by the police, I was just wondering how an assault rifle
> that will not be used, is useful in crowd control. I've never been shot by a .223 cal, but I'm
> relieved to hear they are "not any big deal". If that is so they why would troops use them?
>
> A drunken crowd who are too off their heads to know when to stop vs a bunch of outnumbered, perhaps
> scared, cops with guns is a recipe for a tragedy. Anyone remember Kent State? Go look it up on
> Wikipedia. Batons and body armour would be better.

All well and proper in the UK, but you AUTOMATICALLY own the street
with one AR-15....JG

From: jgrove24 on 16 Jun 2007 13:13
On Jun 15, 3:16 pm, "Bartender Sam" <bartender...(a)earthlink.net>
wrote:
> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>
> news:4672662e$1_4(a)mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
>
>
> > Not saying I am unhappy with a show of force by the police, I was just
> > wondering how an assault rifle that will not be used, is useful in crowd
> > control. I've never been shot by a .223 cal, but I'm relieved to hear they
> > are "not any big deal". If that is so they why would troops use them?
>
> Well it leaves a small entry would but the round likes to bounce around your
> innards for a bit before it either exits or stops. Also note that
> intimidation is crowd control as well. They also probably had a grenade
> launcher on them for (CS) tear gas deployment.
>
> I imagine that rubber bullets could be used as well instead of a .223 ammo

Sometimes the bgs are strapped also:

"Three armed suspects were wounded when the drug dealers they intended
to rob Thursday turned out to be federal agents, the Orange County
Sheriff's Office said.
An elite squad of ATF agents from Texas opened fire when one of the
men raised an AK-47 assault rifle rather than surrender, deputies and
agents said.
"This is what ATF does. We go after the worst of the worst," said
Agent Carlos Baixauli, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "They knew [we] were cops, and they
chose to fight."

Flying glass cut a third suspect when bullets riddled the windshield
of the suspects' car about 2 p.m. behind United Stor-All at 7400 W.
Colonial Drive, deputies said.

Charlie Williams, 27; Mercutio Stokes, 28; and Kylund Johnson, 20, all
of Orlando, were arrested on federal charges of using a firearm during
a crime of violence or drug-trafficking crime, trafficking in a
controlled substance and conspiracy to traffic in a controlled
substance. If convicted on all counts, each could face 25 years in
prison.
The investigation began 10 days ago when ATF agents identified the men
as members of a ring ripping off drug dealers, Baixauli said.

A team of agents trained to arrest armed suspects was brought in from
Dallas to back up undercover agents in Thursday's arrest, he said.
"The bottom line is, drugs and guns go together," Baixauli said. "A
lot of innocent people get caught in the crossfire sometimes."

The suspects were treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center. The
shooting is being investigated by the Florida Department of Law
Enforcement at ATF's request."

Isn't Dallas being shortchanged by the personnel leaving for FL ?? JG
Can Don Johnson make a comeback in "Orlando Vice" ??


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