From: Mr. Travel on
Greg Procter wrote:

> Mr Travel wrote:
>
>>Greg Procter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Mr. Travel" wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>Are you suggesting England is not beyond N. America?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No, that's your story.
>>
>>You claom the poem never made it outside the US, when it was written in
>>England.
>
>
>
> There was a war on - servicemen's poems rarely got international airing
> at that time.
> Was the poem published in Europe?

Yes.
=
From: Mr. Travel on
Craig Welch wrote:

> Greg Procter <procter(a)ihug.co.nz> said:
>
>
>>Mr Travel wrote:
>>
>>>Greg Procter wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mr. Travel" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>There was no war declared by either side in the conflict.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That seems to be an entirely yank concept! (see brainwashing)
>>>
>>>Great, please report the evidence that either side declared war on the
>>>other.
>>
>>
>>You really can't be _that_ stupid???
>>
>>A B52 load of bombs deliberately dropped on a foreign nation constitutes
>>a declaration of war in anyone's book - unless of course you can
>>convince the recipients that it was an accidental deliberate act.
>>(Huhh???)
>
>
> In that case, the US declared war on Iran when it shot down that
> Airbus?
>
> China declared war on the US when its J-8IIM flew into the P-3C
> Orion?
>

Anothe rexample

Did the USSR or South Korea declare war when the Soviet Union shot down
the 747, KAL flight 007? Yeah, I know, with a number like 007, it had to
be a spy plane.

From: Mr. Travel on
Greg Procter wrote:

> Craig Welch wrote:
>
>>Greg Procter <procter(a)ihug.co.nz> said:
>>
>>
>>>Mr Travel wrote:
>>>
>>>>Greg Procter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Mr. Travel" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>There was no war declared by either side in the conflict.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That seems to be an entirely yank concept! (see brainwashing)
>>>>
>>>>Great, please report the evidence that either side declared war on the
>>>>other.
>>>
>>>
>>>You really can't be _that_ stupid???
>>>
>>>A B52 load of bombs deliberately dropped on a foreign nation constitutes
>>>a declaration of war in anyone's book - unless of course you can
>>>convince the recipients that it was an accidental deliberate act.
>>>(Huhh???)
>>
>>In that case, the US declared war on Iran when it shot down that
>>Airbus?
>
>
> That was definitely an act of war by most narions standards - an
> everyday act for the USa.

OK dipshit. Forget the US. Did Iran declare war on the US when that
happened?
From: TMOliver on

"Greg Procter" <procter(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:476EBC86.40922A28(a)ihug.co.nz...
> Mr Travel wrote:
>>
>> Greg Procter wrote:
>>
>> > "Mr. Travel" wrote:
>> >
>> >>Jeff wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>"Craig Welch" <craig(a)pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
>> >>>news:5k7jm3p9oqljfhauogac946kt3mgg23bts(a)4ax.com...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>"Mr. Travel" <mtravel(a)a.a> said:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>It is possible to be against a country without being in a war with
>> >>>>>them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>For example, look at Iran and North Korea.
>> >>>>>We aren't at war with them.
>> >>>>>By your logic, that means we are their friend.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The US is still at war with North Korea.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Actually, there is no "war" between the U.S. and North Korea. This
>> >>>was a UN
>> >>>action and the armastice (sp??) is between North and South Korea.
>> >>
>> >>As mentioned on M*A*S*H many times, it was a police action.
>> >
>> >
>> > You were slaughtering Koreans to stop them from reuniting their own
>> > country.
>>
>> You really don't read much, do you?
>
>
> I not only read but I also think about what I read.
> Are you suggesting the US actions in Korea were _not_ intended to keep
> Korea divided???

The efforts, sponsored by the UN and under the UN flag involved force
contributions from all sorts of places, Australia to be sure and even New
Zealand. I suspect even the history books provided to New Zealand's kids
might mention that it was N. Korea's troops that invaded S. Korea across the
38th Parallel, a "Truce Line" established in 1945 between the Soviet and
Allied* Zones of Occupation.

(*New Zealand being one of those Allies)

Yes, the goal was to keep Korea divided, protecting the folks in the at
least semi-democratically governed South from being over-run by the forces
of the "Peoples Republic of North Korea", a Soviet and Chinese client state
in which even in recent years millions still starve because of the
totalitarian government's commitment to the maintenance of a over-sized
military, attempts to build long range missiles, and what was undeniably an
attempt to develop nuclear weapons.

When the cast of Monte Python spoke of a "Gormless Twit", it sure must have
been you to whom they were referring.

TMO



From: Greg Procter on
"Mr. Travel" wrote:
>
> Greg Procter wrote:
>
> > Mr Travel wrote:
> >
> >>Greg Procter wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Mr. Travel" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Jeff wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Craig Welch" <craig(a)pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:5k7jm3p9oqljfhauogac946kt3mgg23bts(a)4ax.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"Mr. Travel" <mtravel(a)a.a> said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>It is possible to be against a country without being in a war with them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>For example, look at Iran and North Korea.
> >>>>>>>We aren't at war with them.
> >>>>>>>By your logic, that means we are their friend.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>The US is still at war with North Korea.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Actually, there is no "war" between the U.S. and North Korea. This was a UN
> >>>>>action and the armastice (sp??) is between North and South Korea.
> >>>>
> >>>>As mentioned on M*A*S*H many times, it was a police action.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You were slaughtering Koreans to stop them from reuniting their own
> >>>country.
> >>
> >>You really don't read much, do you?
> >
> >
> >
> > I not only read but I also think about what I read.
> > Are you suggesting the US actions in Korea were _not_ intended to keep
> > Korea divided???
>
> They were intended on keeping the Chinese and Russia supported
> communists from taking over the south.

So you agree that the intention was to keep the country divided!
Why do you stupidly argue when you agree???