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From: NotABushSupporter on 13 Jul 2007 01:37
Brian wrote:

>
> “I was crying, I was upset and I was thinking, 'What am I going to do?
> I don't have anything with me, I don't have anymore diapers for the
> baby, no juice, no milk,” said Penland.

She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
his needs? Also, shouldn't the reporter have used "any more", instead of
"anymore"?

>
> The young mother said she later learned the flight attendant told the
> pilot that she had threatened her. Penland said that never happened.

Would she admit it if she had?

>
> Express Jet Airlines released a statement that said, "We received Ms.
> Penland's letter expressing her concerns and intend to investigate its
> contents."
>
> A fellow passenger told Channel 2's Rachel Kim none of the other
> passengers had problems with Garren and that Penland never threatened
> the flight attendant.

How does this passenger know this? Not seeing something happen doesn't
mean it didn't happen. This isn't the same as seeing something happen.
Seeing something happen makes it more likely that it happened. Not
seeing it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I didn't see the All Star Game
in SF, but I am pretty sure it happened.
From: Randy Hudson on 13 Jul 2007 03:22
In article <QsudnWDQ0rMBkgrbnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)comcast.com>,
NotABushSupporter <user(a)not.here> wrote:

> She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
> his needs?

The airline had already delayed her flight 12 hours, and security would have
taken all the child's beverages.

> Would she admit it if she had?

It sounds like the entire confrontation took place in front of witnesses.

|| A fellow passenger told Channel 2's Rachel Kim none of the other
|| passengers had problems with Garren and that Penland never threatened
|| the flight attendant.

> How does this passenger know this? Not seeing something happen doesn't
> mean it didn't happen. This isn't the same as seeing something happen.

Belted into a seat on a packed plane, when is there an opportunity to
threaten a flight attendant without someone else overhearing? If the quoted
passenger says he was there and there was no threat, why do you want so
badly to believe the flight attendant over the equally-credible passenger
and at least one corroborating witness?

--
Randy Hudson
From: NotABushSupporter on 13 Jul 2007 03:35
Randy Hudson wrote:

> In article <QsudnWDQ0rMBkgrbnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)comcast.com>,
> NotABushSupporter <user(a)not.here> wrote:
>
>
>>She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
>>his needs?
>
>
> The airline had already delayed her flight 12 hours, and security would have
> taken all the child's beverages.

OIC, nothing to drink in the terminal.

>
> Belted into a seat on a packed plane, when is there an opportunity to
> threaten a flight attendant without someone else overhearing? If the quoted
> passenger says he was there and there was no threat, why do you want so
> badly to believe the flight attendant over the equally-credible passenger
> and at least one corroborating witness?
>

Not hearing or seeing something, is not really proof.
The threat could have occured without the witness knowing about it.


If it was this cut and dry, why would the pilot not believe ALL of the
passengers, and still kick her off?
From: Randy Hudson on 13 Jul 2007 04:00
In article <UrudnSnXE9_OtgrbnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d(a)comcast.com>,
NotABushSupporter <user(a)not.here> wrote:

> OIC, nothing to drink in the terminal.

There was probably water. The child won't die. Would you be happy with
nothing but water to drink for 15-20 hours?

>> Belted into a seat on a packed plane, when is there an opportunity to
>> threaten a flight attendant without someone else overhearing? If the quoted
>> passenger says he was there and there was no threat, why do you want so
>> badly to believe the flight attendant over the equally-credible passenger
>> and at least one corroborating witness?
>>
> Not hearing or seeing something, is not really proof.
> The threat could have occured without the witness knowing about it.

Perhaps the mother and the stewardess both spoke a language that none of the
witnesses knew. Many things are possible, but the "threat" seems unlikely
to me.

> If it was this cut and dry, why would the pilot not believe ALL of the
> passengers, and still kick her off?

The pilot has better things to do than act as judge in a passenger-crew
dispute. The pilot probably didn't listen to any passengers, nor should he;
he has to trust his crew.

--
Randy Hudson
From: NotABushSupporter on 13 Jul 2007 04:23
Randy Hudson wrote:

> In article <UrudnSnXE9_OtgrbnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d(a)comcast.com>,
> NotABushSupporter <user(a)not.here> wrote:
>
>
>>OIC, nothing to drink in the terminal.
>
>
> There was probably water. The child won't die. Would you be happy with
> nothing but water to drink for 15-20 hours?

This was a flight from Atlanta. Surely they at least have Coca Cola and
other Coke products (Miniute Maid OJ) in the terminal.
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