English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid' [Europe]

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From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 12 Jan 2010 21:18

From: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) on 12 Jan 2010 21:21

Donna Evleth wrote:
>
> > From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> > <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> > those who come after us.
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
> > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:00:11 +0000
> > Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid'
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Evleth wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colour me colourless)"
> >>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> >>> those who come after us.
> >>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:05 +0000
> >>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more than Nazisdid'
> >>>
> >>> Didn't you contest the claim that English words were disfavoured by
> >>> officialdom in the French idioma? If official documents must be "in
> >>> French", doesn't that substantially prove the original assertion
> >>> about the insular nature of the French and their Sprache? Which is
> >>> odd compared to people nearby on an island with the most open major
> >>> language in the world.
> >>
> >> There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and
> >> driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers
> >> want English only.
> >>
> > Because the language of the United States is English. You can speak
> > any languages you want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but
> > you should know the English.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Here is an excerpt from an article in the Seoul Times of January 12, 2010 on
> >> the subject:
> >>
> >> Adding ballots in languages other than English might increase the cost of
> >> printing election materials from 15 to 40 percent. Adding bilingual poll
> >> workers adds to the expense.
> >>
> > Is that even possible? Who knows what '2nd' language someone might
> > want?
> >
> >
> >> Cost is a definite concern, but some people have other strong reservations.
> >> Some object to the very idea of ballots in languages other than English.
> >> Some people fear that voting in Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese, or whatever
> >> second language the law might require, will result in the beginning of a
> >> slippery rope which will Balkanize the country and lead it the same path as
> >> Canada into a possible break up.
> >>
> > Is that the same fear that the French feel? I take what the French
> > are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their
> > language. But you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of
> > anyone who might try to write or speak in French. I was told in
> > this very newsgroup to try to write in French because the poster
> > wanted a laugh. Apparently they couldn't find enough laughs in what
> > I write in English.
>
> You are telling me that I "don't have to go far to hear people make fun of
> anyone who might try to write or speak in French".
>
It's what French speakers do whenever someone tries to speak
French.

> This is one of your more
> stupid remarks. The French love people who are not native francophones who
> make the effort to read and write in French.
>
Oh give me a break.

> I am a living example. In
> December 2009 I had an article published in a prestigious French journal, Le
> Mouvement Social, in French. The reason I had an article published in this
> very prestigious journal is because those closely involved with the journal
> thought an article by me would be a good thing. One of the people who
> suggested this did not know me personally. He only knew my work, and
> respected it.
>
What does this have to do with what I was talking about?

--
"Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
said.

From: Earl Evleth on 13 Jan 2010 03:24

On 13/01/10 3:21, in article 4B4D2E14.6C7106EB(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
<tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> What does this have to do with what I was talking about?

Language, the adaptation of foreigners to the "langue du pays"

From: Donna Evleth on 13 Jan 2010 07:20

> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:21:08 +0000
> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid'
>
>
>
> Donna Evleth wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
>>> those who come after us.
>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:00:11 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more thanNazisdid'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donna Evleth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Bill Bonde {Colour me colourless)"
>>>>> <tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave
>>>>> to
>>>>> those who come after us.
>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,rec.travel.europe
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:05 +0000
>>>>> Subject: Re: English invasion 'threatens Fwench language more than
>>>>> Nazisdid'
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't you contest the claim that English words were disfavoured by
>>>>> officialdom in the French idioma? If official documents must be "in
>>>>> French", doesn't that substantially prove the original assertion
>>>>> about the insular nature of the French and their Sprache? Which is
>>>>> odd compared to people nearby on an island with the most open major
>>>>> language in the world.
>>>>
>>>> There are people in the US who are screaming because election ballots and
>>>> driver's license exams are in Spanish as well as English. The screamers
>>>> want English only.
>>>>
>>> Because the language of the United States is English. You can speak
>>> any languages you want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but
>>> you should know the English.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here is an excerpt from an article in the Seoul Times of January 12, 2010
>>>> on
>>>> the subject:
>>>>
>>>> Adding ballots in languages other than English might increase the cost of
>>>> printing election materials from 15 to 40 percent. Adding bilingual poll
>>>> workers adds to the expense.
>>>>
>>> Is that even possible? Who knows what '2nd' language someone might
>>> want?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cost is a definite concern, but some people have other strong reservations.
>>>> Some object to the very idea of ballots in languages other than English.
>>>> Some people fear that voting in Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese, or whatever
>>>> second language the law might require, will result in the beginning of a
>>>> slippery rope which will Balkanize the country and lead it the same path as
>>>> Canada into a possible break up.
>>>>
>>> Is that the same fear that the French feel? I take what the French
>>> are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their
>>> language. But you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of
>>> anyone who might try to write or speak in French. I was told in
>>> this very newsgroup to try to write in French because the poster
>>> wanted a laugh. Apparently they couldn't find enough laughs in what
>>> I write in English.
>>
>> You are telling me that I "don't have to go far to hear people make fun of
>> anyone who might try to write or speak in French".
>>
> It's what French speakers do whenever someone tries to speak
> French.

No, they don't. I'm the one who lives in France, not you, so I know more
about it than you do, having a much better opportunity to judge.
>
>
>> This is one of your more
>> stupid remarks. The French love people who are not native francophones who
>> make the effort to read and write in French.
>>
> Oh give me a break.

No, you give me a break, from your tedious stereotyping.
>
>
>
>> I am a living example. In
>> December 2009 I had an article published in a prestigious French journal, Le
>> Mouvement Social, in French. The reason I had an article published in this
>> very prestigious journal is because those closely involved with the journal
>> thought an article by me would be a good thing. One of the people who
>> suggested this did not know me personally. He only knew my work, and
>> respected it.
>>
> What does this have to do with what I was talking about?

Bill, Bill, you are the one who said above: "Is that the same fear that the
French feel? I take what the French
are doing as becoming angry that any purity issues in their language. But
you don't have to go far to hear people make fun of
anyone who might try to write or speak in French." Have you forgotten your
very own words? I was demonstrating French reactions to my writing in
French.

Donna Evleth
>
>
>
> --
> "Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
> said.

From: Earl Evleth on 13 Jan 2010 07:28

On 13/01/10 3:18, in article 4B4D2D8D.C4C51381(a)yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
<tribuyltinafpant(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Too many immigrants can mean that the culture is changed.

True, the current areas of the USA have changed immensely
in culture since 1400. The Anglo Saxons in invading England
brought English. Celtic culture was repressed almost totally
in the occupied territories.

As the Hispanics grow in numbers in the USA to the point of become
a majority, that will change things. So, the wise will learn Spanish.

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