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From: James A. Donald on 13 Dec 2006 17:11 -- "James A. Donald" > > > > Christmas is a universal celebration, heavily > > > > celebrated by pagans such as Chinese and > > > > Japanese. It is intended to be universal. "Sancho Panza" > > > A noble sentiment, but far far far from anywhere > > > near reality. James A. Donald: > > Observe Singapore at Christmas time. flaviaR(a)verizon.net > Which means only that they have taken the secular > aspects they like and abandoned the rest - which is > the real affront to Xmas. But you guys are trying to suppress even the secular aspects of Christmas - you were suing against the display of Christmas trees, not the display of stables and mangers. You are suing against the stuff that people see in Singapore "James A. Donald" > > Christmas is universal, except among those nursing > > grievances against Christianity and Christians. flaviaR(a)verizon.net > Anyone who thinks this is the one nursing grievances. The remarks made by the posters in this thread demonstrate the truth of what I said. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 13 Dec 2006 17:15 Mike Hunt > > > The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the > > > Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted > > > representation of his religion a this public > > > facility. James A. Donald: > > Christmas is a universal celebration, flaviaR(a)verizon.net > No, it is not. The fact that some people have > secularized it changes nothing. So you are worried that people might look at the Christmas tree and THINK of a manger? Sure sounds like war on Christmas. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 13 Dec 2006 17:28 flaviaR(a)verizon.net: > So they should have accomodated him they they*should* > have. If someone is offended by Christmas, you cannot accommodate him except by canceling Christmas, for if you accommodate him by making some particular changes, there is no end of people demanding additional particular changes. It is like negotiating with the Palestinians. You cut a deal with the PLO, and then they say "thanks, and now for the demands of Hamas: ..." If you begin, there is no end. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: Cary Kittrell on 13 Dec 2006 17:29 In article <rku0o29k56rshruamdfieea2n8q4frshie(a)4ax.com> James A. Donald <jamesd(a)echeque.com> writes: > Mike Hunt > > > > The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the > > > > Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted > > > > representation of his religion a this public > > > > facility. > > James A. Donald: > > > Christmas is a universal celebration, > > flaviaR(a)verizon.net > > No, it is not. The fact that some people have > > secularized it changes nothing. > > So you are worried that people might look at the > Christmas tree and THINK of a manger? > > Sure sounds like war on Christmas. Sounds like a bar fight against Christmas -- an isolated incident. A war would be large numbers of complaints or lawsuits against displays which contain no specifically Christian symbolism. Yet this is the only story of this nature I am aware of which did not involve things such a manger, wise men, or other related icons. -- cary
From: dsharavi on 13 Dec 2006 17:45
> "James A. Donald" > > > > > Christmas is a universal celebration, heavily > > > > > celebrated by pagans such as Chinese and > > > > > Japanese. It is intended to be universal. Christmas is a Christian holiday. > James A. Donald: > > > Observe Singapore at Christmas time. Observe Riyadh at Christmas time. James A. Donald wrote: > But you guys are trying to suppress even the secular > aspects of Christmas - you were suing against the > display of Christmas trees Who was suing against what display of Xmas trees? The ones in SEATAC? > The remarks made by the posters in this thread > demonstrate the truth of what I said. The remarks by a number of posters to these NGs demonstrate that they don't know their asses from their elbows. Your point? Deborah |