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From: Keane on 9 Aug 2010 15:57 On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:50:27 -0500, Lilith <lilithpap(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:20:14 -0500, Keane <keane(a)keanespics.com> >wrote: > >>On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:52:46 -0500, Lilith <lilithpap(a)gmail.com> >>wrote: > >>> Though I've stayed on site once >>>it was a major hassle that I seriously don't want to go through again. > >>Really? I'm the opposite. I like having to turn my brain off to the >>point that I don't have to remember how to operate a motor vehicle. > >I'm not talking about the hassle of motivating around WDW. I love to >have Disney do the driving too. I'm talking about the hassle of the >reservations. Quite a while ago I tried to reserve ten nights. >Apparently I couldn't get a ressie like that. I ended up doing three >nights at ASM, three nights at PO, two (rather expensive) nights at >Grovsner and two more nights back at PO. That doesn't include the >fact that some of my reservations were cancelled because I was trying >to make them more than three months in advance and something about >being able to accept credit cards more than 90 days out. Seems I >kinda split the 90 days between the four sites and because I didn't >contact them within a certain period of time to re-confirm with a >credit card they were dropped. I was able to recover from this but it >just gets too involved trying to make simple reservations. > >Add to that the time wasted in having to pack up the car in the >mornings, leaving the car at the one site, going back, pick up the >car, check in at the new site, unload the car, rinse repeat, rinse >repeat.... That's time away from the parks or DD or just cooling down >from the day's activity. Is it that difficult for them to allow me a >long stretch of time at one of the economy resorts and let me >guarantee payment more than three months out? That's why I've never >stayed on-site more than the once. > >I also had to turn on my brain every time I moved to find where my >next hostel was and the worry that if I didn't show up by 8:00 PM >they'd think me a no-show and give my room away. Mind you, the folks >at the resorts were quite accomodating in many ways but the overall >structure has a few annoying faults. Major bummer. :-) Things have changed a lot. You can get online now and enter some dates and have Disney's reservation system come up with the available resorts. You may have to do 2 resorts over 10 days, but what you went through was nuts. You should try it again. It is much less stressful. (You still have to call Disney to cancel a reservation, but that's usually pretty painless.) >> >>Well, let me up and take some pictures then. It won't take me long. >>(Be sure to hide all your dirty clothes. Thanks.) > >Now you're asking too much. There's not enough time in the day to hit >the parks and stay tidy. > Nonsense. You just do like I do, and don't unpack. Heh. Keane -- When stars are born, They possess a gift or two, One of them is this, They have the power to make a wish come true... -- Wishes Visit my site: http://keanespics.com
From: Keane on 9 Aug 2010 16:51 On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:41:44 -0400, Jeffrey Gordon <jeff(a)jeffreygordon.net> wrote: >In article <400u56lu80gliprbqmuk153vnsjk8ba8dl(a)4ax.com>, > Keane <keane(a)keanespics.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:13:01 -0400, Jeffrey Gordon >> <jeff(a)jeffreygordon.net> wrote: <snip> > >I generally agree with your assessment of the situation. It's up-front >pay to play all the way with Disney, whereas with "traditional" loyalty >programs, it's pay-as-you-go-with-attainment-tiers. > >But again, I think there's a fourth class. Those that eventually become >loyalty members through years of behavior. They weren't willing or able >to commit up front, but have, in essence, done so. Now granted, they >don't have the future obligation (which counts for a lot), but they >still have what they have. Disney has actually recognized this class, >to some degree, in their 407-WDISNEY line when they ask when and how >often you've been here. They know that there's a group of people that >needs to be treated differently. That they have to ask, shows they *don't* have the information. >I also agree with the person who talked about trying to go back and >award visits post-visit. Total nightmare... and there would be >something people would want for that prior visit "credit"... so it would >be almost impossible to introduce without pissing someone off. > >But I disagree that it would be hard to do based on the information that >Disney has. Heck, conclusive biometric data alone could be used to >reconstruct the last few years. ;) That's my point. They don't have the data. Even the biometrics were changed from joints to fingerprints a few years ago. With cell phones, you were changing numbers all the time. Disney never seems to know I've been an annual passholder several times, since I never renew. Of course, I might be the only person in the US with my name, so they could match me without a problem... :-) >> I think they really try to make sure there aren't apparent classes >> of WDW guests. Every guest should be treated the same. (This >> excludes sponsors, VIP's and those with really large sums of money >> they want to part with, of course.) > >Also agreed. But there ARE classes... and unless you're blind, you know >it. Not everyone gets to stay on the VIP floor at the Grand Floridian. >Yet even the person staying in a cabin at Ft. Wilderness knows the >EXISTENCE of the GF and other Deluxe resorts. So there's one element of >"class" differential. You're stuck in the rut that classes involve money. They don't. The guests in All-Stars, are, for the most part, treated the same as they are in the Floridian. Once in the parks, there's no differential on where you're staying. My differentiation of classes is strictly based on the services you get, but not necessarily the amenities you might be able to buy. That's out of Disney's control. >There's even the on vs off-property differential, made real by EMH's. Those are the perks you get for staying on-site. I specifically excluded those who stay off-site, since they don't even try to claim any of the perks at any level from Disney. (There may be a limited number who stay off site, but are there often enough to warrant an AP, but I think those are pretty rare.) >And there are countless financial indicators (just look at a little girl >staring longingly at another little girl who has gone through a BBB >makeover and you understand this one in a heartbeat). Again, you're trying to equate something someone can or cannot afford, to the level of service Disney provides to all it's customers. They are not the same. If the unfortunate little girl could afford the BBB treatment, Disney wouldn't deny it to her. >I AM, however, grateful that Dis has never instituted the pay-for-FP >system. I also appreciate that they seem to make some things a little >harder to find (even on their website) so that you actually have to go >hunting for them - such as the extra tours, fireworks boat rentals, etc. Or you could come here and ask. :-) >And I like that, apparently, a member of the general attendance >population is selected for things like being Grand Marshal of the >parade(s) and/or the Family of the Day @ MK. Yeah, but I think you have to be one of those beautiful people. HAhahahaha... (Considering every one of the guests in AK's parade has cotton stuck in their ears, I'm not sure I want to be picked for bleeding eardrum duty...) Keane -- When stars are born, They possess a gift or two, One of them is this, They have the power to make a wish come true... -- Wishes Visit my site: http://keanespics.com
From: Brian on 9 Aug 2010 21:26 On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:57:36 -0500, Keane <keane(a)keanespics.com> wrote: >Nonsense. You just do like I do, and don't unpack. Heh. > >Keane My wife often just works out of her suitcase but it drives me crazy to do so for more than one or two days.
From: Lilith on 9 Aug 2010 22:31 On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:51:15 -0500, Keane <keane(a)keanespics.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:41:44 -0400, Jeffrey Gordon ><jeff(a)jeffreygordon.net> wrote: > >>In article <400u56lu80gliprbqmuk153vnsjk8ba8dl(a)4ax.com>, >> Keane <keane(a)keanespics.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:13:01 -0400, Jeffrey Gordon >>> <jeff(a)jeffreygordon.net> wrote: ><snip> >> >>I generally agree with your assessment of the situation. It's up-front >>pay to play all the way with Disney, whereas with "traditional" loyalty >>programs, it's pay-as-you-go-with-attainment-tiers. >> >>But again, I think there's a fourth class. Those that eventually become >>loyalty members through years of behavior. They weren't willing or able >>to commit up front, but have, in essence, done so. Now granted, they >>don't have the future obligation (which counts for a lot), but they >>still have what they have. Disney has actually recognized this class, >>to some degree, in their 407-WDISNEY line when they ask when and how >>often you've been here. They know that there's a group of people that >>needs to be treated differently. > >That they have to ask, shows they *don't* have the information. > >>I also agree with the person who talked about trying to go back and >>award visits post-visit. Total nightmare... and there would be >>something people would want for that prior visit "credit"... so it would >>be almost impossible to introduce without pissing someone off. >> >>But I disagree that it would be hard to do based on the information that >>Disney has. Heck, conclusive biometric data alone could be used to >>reconstruct the last few years. ;) > >That's my point. They don't have the data. Even the biometrics were >changed from joints to fingerprints a few years ago. With cell >phones, you were changing numbers all the time. Disney never seems to >know I've been an annual passholder several times, since I never >renew. I guess faster micro computers makes it easier to analyze fingerprints, at least in a gross pattern sense. >Of course, I might be the only person in the US with my name, so they >could match me without a problem... :-) So far I've been able to track two family members and one unknown in Chicago with my family name. Last of a fading breed. As for Disney records? Every couple of years a Mickey Monitor shows up. >>There's even the on vs off-property differential, made real by EMH's. >Those are the perks you get for staying on-site. I specifically >excluded those who stay off-site, since they don't even try to >claim any of the perks at any level from Disney. (There may be >a limited number who stay off site, but are there often enough >to warrant an AP, but I think those are pretty rare.) I'm not even there often enough but I still get an AP for the convenience. Though I've only seen it a couple of times I'm surprised that there are those who feel that an AP should give them additional privileges beyond lower cost admission. Are there still LOS passes for on-site guests? >>And I like that, apparently, a member of the general attendance >>population is selected for things like being Grand Marshal of the >>parade(s) and/or the Family of the Day @ MK. I've got an honorary Citizen of Disneyland badge around here somewhere and a totally unused but highly cherished ten ride head of the queue pass. Disney's done right by me. :-) >Yeah, but I think you have to be one of those beautiful people. >HAhahahaha... Leaves me out. :( -- Lilith
From: Lilith on 9 Aug 2010 23:38
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:26:41 -0400, Brian <drmorrisnospam(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:57:36 -0500, Keane <keane(a)keanespics.com> >wrote: > > >>Nonsense. You just do like I do, and don't unpack. Heh. >> >>Keane > >My wife often just works out of her suitcase but it drives me crazy to >do so for more than one or two days. That's how I do it. I will hang my tops to keep the wrinkles down but everything else is in the suitcase or overnight bags. -- Lilith |