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From: js on 7 Mar 2007 11:12 On Mar 7, 3:33 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > On 6 Mar 2007 18:54:35 -0800 'Tchiowa' > posted this onto rec.travel.air: That is too funny - you are a card. > That is nonsense as I've explained several times. > You do not understand how business models and marketing work. > > >> Queues at check-in continue to be a > >> problem for many people unless you have BC or FC tickets. Narrow seats > >> are another. Overweight or oversize passengers are another. Restless > >> kids and slobs are another. > > >You named 4 problems. 3 of them are solved by buying a higher class > >ticket. So the solution is there. *You* choose not to accept that > >solution then complain about the result of *your* decision. > > My point is that those problems really shouldn't exist in any class. "That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not understand how business models and marketing work." > That they do is a direct result of the deregulation of airlines and > the dumbing down of their business models to make flying accessible > to every jerk who has $25 in his/her pocket. "That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not understand how business models and marketing work." Too funny. js
From: hummingbird on 7 Mar 2007 11:20 On 7 Mar 2007 08:12:05 -0800 'js' posted this onto rec.travel.air: >On Mar 7, 3:33 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: >> On 6 Mar 2007 18:54:35 -0800 'Tchiowa' >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: > >That is too funny - you are a card. > >> That is nonsense as I've explained several times. >> You do not understand how business models and marketing work. >> >> >> Queues at check-in continue to be a >> >> problem for many people unless you have BC or FC tickets. Narrow seats >> >> are another. Overweight or oversize passengers are another. Restless >> >> kids and slobs are another. >> >> >You named 4 problems. 3 of them are solved by buying a higher class >> >ticket. So the solution is there. *You* choose not to accept that >> >solution then complain about the result of *your* decision. >> >> My point is that those problems really shouldn't exist in any class. > >"That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not >understand how business models and marketing work." > >> That they do is a direct result of the deregulation of airlines and >> the dumbing down of their business models to make flying accessible >> to every jerk who has $25 in his/her pocket. > >"That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not >understand how business models and marketing work." > >Too funny. Can't you think of anything original to post yourself? Copying/posting my own comments does nowt for your credibility.
From: js on 7 Mar 2007 11:40 On Mar 7, 8:20 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > On 7 Mar 2007 08:12:05 -0800 'js' > posted this onto rec.travel.air: > > > > > > >On Mar 7, 3:33 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > >> On 6 Mar 2007 18:54:35 -0800 'Tchiowa' > >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: > > >That is too funny - you are a card. > > >> That is nonsense as I've explained several times. > >> You do not understand how business models and marketing work. > > >> >> Queues at check-in continue to be a > >> >> problem for many people unless you have BC or FC tickets. Narrow seats > >> >> are another. Overweight or oversize passengers are another. Restless > >> >> kids and slobs are another. > > >> >You named 4 problems. 3 of them are solved by buying a higher class > >> >ticket. So the solution is there. *You* choose not to accept that > >> >solution then complain about the result of *your* decision. > > >> My point is that those problems really shouldn't exist in any class. > > >"That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not > >understand how business models and marketing work." > > >> That they do is a direct result of the deregulation of airlines and > >> the dumbing down of their business models to make flying accessible > >> to every jerk who has $25 in his/her pocket. > > >"That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not > >understand how business models and marketing work." > > >Too funny. > > Can't you think of anything original to post yourself? > Copying/posting my own comments does nowt for your credibility.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Even funnier. You are a card. You profess this superior knowledge of markets and yet miss the point entirely. Deregulation INCREASES the competitiveness of markets by reducing barriers to entry and increasing product differentiation. Too funny. js
From: Jim Davis on 7 Mar 2007 12:13 X-No-Archive: Yes On Mar 7, 5:33 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > On 6 Mar 2007 18:54:35 -0800 'Tchiowa' > posted this onto rec.travel.air: > > >On Mar 6, 7:15 pm, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > >> On 5 Mar 2007 16:51:26 -0800 'Tchiowa' > >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: > >You did. You *CHOSE* Economy Class. > > Let's not play sematics. I selected Economy but that does not mean > that I like everything about it. In one sense, Economy is a dump class > for those who are unable/unwilling to pay the much higher prices of > BC or FC, which themselves do not guarantee or necessarily provide > the actual conditions desired. > I have already said that there are plenty of wealthy slobs who usually > fly BC/FC. Wealth is not a good guide to a person's social manners or > that of their kids or entourage. > > >> My original post was about a range of issues - seat size, overbooking, > >> long queue to check-in, pressure put on me to accept an alternative > >> route home, an adjacent passenger who was overflowing into my seat > >> space and sitting on a plane for two hours before take-off while the > >> captain lied to passengers about the reason. > > >> Did you miss all that? You're living in the past. Air Travel isn't the comfortable and pampered travel style that it was years ago. Those days are gone. > Many of the problems which I and many others suffer from could > be resolved by airlines re-arranging their cabins a little. Perhaps a > cabin section called 'quiet cabin' where kids were guaranteed *not* > to be seated. Perhaps a slightly wider seat to accomodate larger- > than-average people. Perhaps a more efficient check-in facility to > reduce queues and you have a 10-20% premium for ticket prices. > The airlines could explain the conditions to people when booking. > > So perhaps my 430 sterling ticket on BA would have cost 500 > Such a cabin would attract me more than a standard BC seat. This may attract you, but it doesn't attract the majority of today's air travelers. They want cheap & easy, and "easy" is negotiable with them. > >> You see, what the airlines have done is to create a business model > >> designed to maximise their passenger numbers and revenues but have > >> done little or nothing to deal with the many irritations that > >> passengers suffer because of it. > > >Dealing with these "irritations" cost money and those of you who are > >primarily concerned with cost won't pay the airline to deal with them. > > That is nonsense as I've explained several times. > You do not understand how business models and marketing work. He's right. The airlines won't spend extra time & money on these things if the majority won't pay to support them. > > >> Queues at check-in continue to be a > >> problem for many people unless you have BC or FC tickets. Narrow seats > >> are another. Overweight or oversize passengers are another. Restless > >> kids and slobs are another. > > >You named 4 problems. 3 of them are solved by buying a higher class > >ticket. So the solution is there. *You* choose not to accept that > >solution then complain about the result of *your* decision. > > My point is that those problems really shouldn't exist in any class. > That they do is a direct result of the deregulation of airlines and > the dumbing down of their business models to make flying accessible > to every jerk who has $25 in his/her pocket. Today, those "jerks" are making up the majority of air travelers. Guess what? We loose. Personally, I deal with it. > >Somewhat of a snob, I see. You don't want to fly with the "riff-raff". > > I am no snob but otherwise you are correct. > Tell me, who does want to fly with the riff-raff? Other riff-raff? The airlines promise to get to from A to B safely. Who, your traveling companions are is not their concern as long as they abide by the basic rules and pay the fee. > >I hate to say it, but if you look at your posts and the things you've > >said this "every slob with $25" kind of describes *you*. > > Rotfl. > You are just posting tripe. No - I think he has a point there. > >> >> As a friend said to me some while ago "you might upgrade from economy > >> >> to FC to get away from screaming shitty kids and slobs, only to find > >> >> that you're seated close to a FC screaming shitty kid or a rich slob." > > >> >If your goal is to get away from people you think are inferior to you > >> >("slobs" is the way you phrased it) then you need to buy your own > >> >plane or quit flying. > > >> It's got nothing to do with people who I think are inferior to me. That seems to be the major subject in your posts. > > >Not according to the things you have said. > > Indeed.
From: hummingbird on 7 Mar 2007 13:31
On 7 Mar 2007 08:40:44 -0800 'js' posted this onto rec.travel.air: >On Mar 7, 8:20 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2007 08:12:05 -0800 'js' >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mar 7, 3:33 am, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: >> >> On 6 Mar 2007 18:54:35 -0800 'Tchiowa' >> >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: >> >> >That is too funny - you are a card. >> >> >> That is nonsense as I've explained several times. >> >> You do not understand how business models and marketing work. >> >> >> >> Queues at check-in continue to be a >> >> >> problem for many people unless you have BC or FC tickets. Narrow seats >> >> >> are another. Overweight or oversize passengers are another. Restless >> >> >> kids and slobs are another. >> >> >> >You named 4 problems. 3 of them are solved by buying a higher class >> >> >ticket. So the solution is there. *You* choose not to accept that >> >> >solution then complain about the result of *your* decision. >> >> >> My point is that those problems really shouldn't exist in any class. >> >> >"That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not >> >understand how business models and marketing work." >> >> >> That they do is a direct result of the deregulation of airlines and >> >> the dumbing down of their business models to make flying accessible >> >> to every jerk who has $25 in his/her pocket. >> >> >"That is nonsense as I've explained several times. You do not >> >understand how business models and marketing work." >> >> >Too funny. >> >> Can't you think of anything original to post yourself? >> Copying/posting my own comments does nowt for your credibility.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Even funnier. > >You are a card. You profess this superior knowledge of markets and >yet miss the point entirely. I professed nothing of the sort but clearly I understand how markets work a lot more than you. You also have a reading and comprehension problem and you have no point. >Deregulation INCREASES the competitiveness of markets by reducing >barriers to entry and increasing product differentiation. In practice it does little of the latter as I pointed out earlier. What actually happens is that the herd instinct takes effect. One or more market leaders emerge and everybody else copies them for fear of being left high and dry. Same thing happens in almost every other industry. Study how new car models from different manufacturers all start to carry the same design features year on year. In Europe, check to see how they're all pushing cars with diesel engines. etc etc. This is pure herd instinct in action and it causes a race to the bottom. Maybe you missed that we now have airlines like BA and others slashing staff, reducing services, cramming more seats into planes to compete with low-budget airlines. All this so they can chase joe sixpack with $25 in his pocket. >Too funny. |