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From: Jim Ley on 4 Mar 2007 12:54 On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 06:08:47 -0800 (PST), shmat(a)xenon.Stanford.EDU (VS) wrote: >>And which airline's first class seats have less pitch and less width >>than SW? None. > > KLM and Air France on European flights. What first class seats on KLM and Air France have First Class seats? Are you confusing business class with first class? Jim.
From: js on 4 Mar 2007 12:58 On Mar 4, 6:02 am, s...(a)xenon.Stanford.EDU (VS) wrote: > In article <1172937531.900813.106...(a)s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, > > js <jonathansmit...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>KLM in Fokker 70 and 100. 31 inches - worse than Southwest. > > >The seat you refer to is "Europe Select" and is sold as WBC - World > >Business Class. It is not a first class seat, it is a business class > >seat. It is priced as a business class seat. > > Whatever they call it, it sucks. These ``business class'' seats > are worse than what Southwest offers in economy. > > >The average seat pitch is 31 inches in select. It is also 31 inches > >in economy. > > Worse than Southwest. So, when you fly between AMS and LCY, perhaps you'd prefer SW. Been fun, but your perspective on air travel is far too negative and inconsistent. I for one do not fly SW - for three very simple reasons - no first class, no assigned seats, and people like you. js
From: Mike Hunt on 4 Mar 2007 15:33 VS wrote: > In article <1172937531.900813.106660(a)s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, > js <jonathansmith99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>KLM in Fokker 70 and 100. 31 inches - worse than Southwest. >> >>The seat you refer to is "Europe Select" and is sold as WBC - World >>Business Class. It is not a first class seat, it is a business class >>seat. It is priced as a business class seat. > > > Whatever they call it, it sucks. These ``business class'' seats > are worse than what Southwest offers in economy. > 1. Do you think KLM is trying to compete with WN? You are trying to compare a US carrier with a foreign carrier that is using service to differentiate this particular class, not seat size. It is an INVALID comparison. From your quote "It's good to have airlines like Southwest that maintain standards of service while others are racing to the bottom." How is WN doing this with 32 inches of pitch? Many other airlines have the same pitch or MORE... 2. Please name the airline where WN economy seats have more pitch than another airline's first class. You seemed to be confused on what you should be comparing.
From: whitely525 on 4 Mar 2007 15:35 On 4 Mar, 14:11, s...(a)xenon.Stanford.EDU (VS) wrote: > In article <s5Wdnbb2CehgCnfYnZ2dnUVZ_vShn...(a)comcast.com>, > Mike Hunt <postmaster(a)localhost> wrote: > > >> KLM in Fokker 70 and 100. 31 inches - worse than Southwest. > > >I thought we were talking about US domestic first class, since you did > >refer to American legacy carriers. > > European airlines are worse than the shittiest American legacy carrier. > BA offers 31 inches of pitch in economy on 10-hour flights - worse > than Southwest on a 40-minute hop from Dallas to Houston. Not surprisng long-haul has less space. You will find that these same airlines have more space on their short-haul routes, so I doubt your comparison is valid. >
From: Mike Hunt on 4 Mar 2007 15:37
VS wrote: > >>Comparing European business class seating is not really relevant, as it >>is common for European business class seating to not have much legroom. >>On some carriers it is more about service than bigger seats. > > > I find it amusing that European carriers offer worse seats and worse > service in their so called ``business class'' or ``first class'' > or whatever they call it on intra-European flights than Southwest. > It is a ONE inch difference, on specific types of aircraft, and KLM is not selling this class based on larger seating, it is selling it based on other things. Now, can you explain the SERVICE difference that makes WN better than European business class? |