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From: Tchiowa on 5 Mar 2007 19:54 On Mar 6, 6:26 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...(a)crazyhat.net> wrote: > In message <ch8pu2lkgcqge3bm927o0firer3qb4t...(a)4ax.com> n...(a)here.com > > (nada) wrote: > >On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:49 +0000 in rec.travel.air, hummingbird > ><RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > > >> I believe that airline seats are simply not > >> wide enough for anybody larger than small-to-medium width; > > >so lose some weight, you lardbutt! > > The widest part on my body is my shouldered, followed by my hips. So many opportunities for a response here about what "my widest part" is but they're all inappropriate for a family group. ;-) >Weight gain or loss will change neither of those significantly on my body type. Actually weight has a significant impact on both shoulder and hip width.
From: js on 5 Mar 2007 20:13 On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, "Tchiowa" <tchio...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 6, 6:26 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...(a)crazyhat.net> wrote: > > > In message <ch8pu2lkgcqge3bm927o0firer3qb4t...(a)4ax.com> n...(a)here.com > > > (nada) wrote: > > >On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:49 +0000 in rec.travel.air, hummingbird > > ><RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > > > >> I believe that airline seats are simply not > > >> wide enough for anybody larger than small-to-medium width; > > > >so lose some weight, you lardbutt! > > > The widest part on my body is my shouldered, followed by my hips. > > So many opportunities for a response here about what "my widest part" > is but they're all inappropriate for a family group. ;-) > > >Weight gain or loss will change neither of those significantly on my body type. > > Actually weight has a significant impact on both shoulder and hip > width. Psst - they won't listen....even after showing them the math....shhhhhhhh.
From: hummingbird on 6 Mar 2007 07:15 On 5 Mar 2007 16:51:26 -0800 'Tchiowa' posted this onto rec.travel.air: >On Mar 5, 7:54 pm, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: >> On 4 Mar 2007 16:26:57 -0800 'Tchiowa' >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: >> >> >On Mar 2, 7:36 pm, hummingbird <RHBIYDTNP...(a)spammotel.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:13:58 GMT 'Jim Ley' >> >> posted this onto rec.travel.air: >> >> >> >Yep, it's called business class. >> >> >> Rubbish. >> >> >You repeat this refrain. Are you not aware that Business Class has >> >wider seats and better overall conditions that Economy? >> >> I'm not sure what you mean by "better overall conditions" but paying >> large sums of money for a business seat (or even first class) does not >> guarantee that your flight will be either comfortable or peaceful, >> although I have always accepted that both classes of seat usually >> provide a wider seat. > >You complained about specific things including size of the seat. I >said that you had deliberately paid for a small seat. Others also >pointed out that Business Class resolves this. Rather than admit that >simple fact you now want to take about kids and slobs. Do you want a >government policy forcing the airlines to gag and handcuff all kids? I bought a ticket from the short list of options offered to me. If you wish to describe that as "I chose a small seat* be my guest, but it's a distortion of the actuality as most people would see. My original post was about a range of issues - seat size, overbooking, long queue to check-in, pressure put on me to accept an alternative route home, an adjacent passenger who was overflowing into my seat space and sitting on a plane for two hours before take-off while the captain lied to passengers about the reason. Did you miss all that? The debate was expanded to include other issues which trouble people when flying, like screaming shitty kids and other slobs and these are certainly issues which trouble me from time to time. I have already posted that I do not know what the solution is for (eg) screaming shitty kids and slobs but the airlines need to do something. The current approach is to ignore the problems and pass them on to other passengers. >I think you tipped your hand, though, in the way you phrased the >statement. Business Class is more expensive than Economy, of course, >but it does not involved "large sums of money". Perhaps from the >perspective of someone whose primary goal is "cheap" that's the case. The last time I looked at BC ticket prices for long haul -vs- economy prices, they were considerably more expensive. And some of the extra cost is to provide in-flight services which are of no interest to me. FC are even more expensive and as I said earlier, even BC or FC does not guarantee a flight free from screaming shitty kids and slobs etc. I would happily pay a 10-20% premium for a seat which guaranteed me a wider seat (by ~4inches) and no slobs or screaming shitty kids nearby. Nothing like this is on offer. You see, what the airlines have done is to create a business model designed to maximise their passenger numbers and revenues but have done little or nothing to deal with the many irritations that passengers suffer because of it. Queues at check-in continue to be a problem for many people unless you have BC or FC tickets. Narrow seats are another. Overweight or oversize passengers are another. Restless kids and slobs are another. These problems are partly the result of deregulation of the market which gave the airlines the go-ahead to dumb down their services to transport every slob who has $25 in his/her pocket. That in turn has generated a massive increase in planes flying which has made flying one of the major causes of airborne pollution. >> As a friend said to me some while ago "you might upgrade from economy >> to FC to get away from screaming shitty kids and slobs, only to find >> that you're seated close to a FC screaming shitty kid or a rich slob." > >If your goal is to get away from people you think are inferior to you >("slobs" is the way you phrased it) then you need to buy your own >plane or quit flying. It's got nothing to do with people who I think are inferior to me. I'm sure you would not enjoy sitting in a restaurant with your wife/girlfriend/partner etc if the people on the next table were making a lot of noise and their kids were running out of control. It's an unfortunate fact that some people do not know or do not care how to behave reasonably in the company of others. Noisy neighbours are another good example and we have a TV series in Britain called *Neighbours From Hell* which describes this problem very well. >Or change your attitude about other people. Nonsense. See above. >> Perhaps all passengers with kids should be located in one section of >> the plane where they can be more easily controlled? I dunno. But this >> problem, coupled to seats which are too narrow for larger than average >> or obese people have collectively turned flying into an endurance test >> for ordinary decent folk. > >Back to seat size which is easily resolved as long as your primary >goal isn't "cheap". > >I'm an "ordinary decent folk" and I quite enjoy flying. There is the >occasional glitch but that's part of life. In the whole it's a fairly >enjoyable experience. I envy you.
From: hummingbird on 6 Mar 2007 07:16 On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:05:39 -0900 'nada' posted this onto rec.travel.air: >On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:49 +0000 in rec.travel.air, hummingbird ><RHBIYDTNPPAX(a)spammotel.com> wrote: > >> I believe that airline seats are simply not >> wide enough for anybody larger than small-to-medium width; > >so lose some weight, you lardbutt! If you were able to read, you might just have noriced that I was not referring to myself as being oversize or overweight.
From: hummingbird on 6 Mar 2007 07:17
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:26:55 -0700 'DevilsPGD' posted this onto rec.travel.air: >In message <ch8pu2lkgcqge3bm927o0firer3qb4talp(a)4ax.com> not(a)here.com >(nada) wrote: > >>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:47:49 +0000 in rec.travel.air, hummingbird >><RHBIYDTNPPAX(a)spammotel.com> wrote: >> >>> I believe that airline seats are simply not >>> wide enough for anybody larger than small-to-medium width; >> >>so lose some weight, you lardbutt! > >The widest part on my body is my shouldered, followed by my hips. Weight >gain or loss will change neither of those significantly on my body type. Quite so. Some people simply have a larger than average frame. |