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From: VS on 4 Mar 2007 09:02 In article <1172937531.900813.106660(a)s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, js <jonathansmith99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>KLM in Fokker 70 and 100. 31 inches - worse than Southwest. > >The seat you refer to is "Europe Select" and is sold as WBC - World >Business Class. It is not a first class seat, it is a business class >seat. It is priced as a business class seat. Whatever they call it, it sucks. These ``business class'' seats are worse than what Southwest offers in economy. >The average seat pitch is 31 inches in select. It is also 31 inches >in economy. Worse than Southwest.
From: VS on 4 Mar 2007 09:08 In article <1172937062.057366.195830(a)64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>, js <jonathansmith99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>Northwest doesn't have 737s in the fleet but 757 varies between 31 and >>>33 with 17.2 width. >> >>As little as 30 on the 319s - worse than Southwest. > >Apples to apples idiot - a 319 is not a 737 Apples to apples, economy seats on Northwest are worse than on Southwest. Seat *pitch* does not depend on the plane, but even if it did, Whose fault is it that Northwest uses crappy discount French planes instead of 737s? >> >>>>the economy seats on Southwest are better than some airlines' >> ^^^^ >>>UAL FC 38/20.5 and Prem Econ 34/17 in the 737-5's >>>Contiental FC 38/21 >>>Northwest FC 37/21 >> >>Son, is English your native tongue? > >No. So I noticed. You see, son, if I tell you that economy seats on Southwest are better than SOME airlines' first class, you cannot object to this by finding a couple of airlines whose first class seats are better. You'll need to prove that ALL airlines' first class seats are better than Southwest's economy, and that just ain't true. >And which airline's first class seats have less pitch and less width >than SW? None. KLM and Air France on European flights.
From: VS on 4 Mar 2007 09:11 In article <s5Wdnbb2CehgCnfYnZ2dnUVZ_vShnZ2d(a)comcast.com>, Mike Hunt <postmaster(a)localhost> wrote: >> KLM in Fokker 70 and 100. 31 inches - worse than Southwest. > >I thought we were talking about US domestic first class, since you did >refer to American legacy carriers. European airlines are worse than the shittiest American legacy carrier. BA offers 31 inches of pitch in economy on 10-hour flights - worse than Southwest on a 40-minute hop from Dallas to Houston. >Comparing European business class seating is not really relevant, as it >is common for European business class seating to not have much legroom. >On some carriers it is more about service than bigger seats. I find it amusing that European carriers offer worse seats and worse service in their so called ``business class'' or ``first class'' or whatever they call it on intra-European flights than Southwest.
From: js on 4 Mar 2007 12:36 On Mar 4, 6:08 am, s...(a)xenon.Stanford.EDU (VS) wrote: > In article <1172937062.057366.195...(a)64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>, > > js <jonathansmit...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>Northwest doesn't have 737s in the fleet but 757 varies between 31 and > >>>33 with 17.2 width. > > >>As little as 30 on the 319s - worse than Southwest. > > >Apples to apples idiot - a 319 is not a 737 > > Apples to apples, economy seats on Northwest are worse than on > Southwest. No, not across the fleet. Since you cannot compare 737s between the two, any comparison made requires different airplanes. In the case of SW, they have one configuration - 32/17 NW, on the other hand flies a half dozen different airplanes and in different configurations. IN ECONOMY, you can, on NW fly in a 30/17 seat on one of their old DC9 workhorses to as spacious as 34/17.2 on a 747. On the 319, there are seats that provide a 32 inch pitch and are wider than economy seats on SW. The A330 coach configuration has 32/17.5 - better than SW and on some planes has a 33 inch pitch (A330-300) In the absence of apples to apples, you are wrong. Economy seats on NW are not all worse than economy seats on SW - some are, some aren't. Problem solved - next? > Seat *pitch* does not depend on the plane, Seat pitch varies across the fleets and even within an airplane. > but even if > it did, Whose fault is it that Northwest uses crappy discount French > planes instead of 737s? Considering the A330 on NW consistently provides better accomodations than the SW 737.... > > >> >>>>the economy seats on Southwest are better than some airlines' > >> ^^^^ > >>>UAL FC 38/20.5 and Prem Econ 34/17 in the 737-5's > >>>Contiental FC 38/21 > >>>Northwest FC 37/21 > > >>Son, is English your native tongue? > > >No. > > So I noticed. You see, son, if I tell you that economy seats on > Southwest are better than SOME airlines' first class, you cannot > object to this by finding a couple of airlines whose first class seats > are better. I ask for an example - you can't find one. > You'll need to prove that ALL airlines' first class seats > are better than Southwest's economy, Nope - I don't have to do anything. > and that just ain't true. Oh, it is. > >And which airline's first class seats have less pitch and less width > >than SW? None. > > KLM and Air France on European flights. These aren't first class seats. These are business class seats on regional jets or F100/F70s. Play again? Didn't think so. js
From: js on 4 Mar 2007 12:38
On Mar 4, 6:11 am, s...(a)xenon.Stanford.EDU (VS) wrote: > In article <s5Wdnbb2CehgCnfYnZ2dnUVZ_vShn...(a)comcast.com>, > Mike Hunt <postmaster(a)localhost> wrote: > > >> KLM in Fokker 70 and 100. 31 inches - worse than Southwest. > > >I thought we were talking about US domestic first class, since you did > >refer to American legacy carriers. > > European airlines are worse than the shittiest American legacy carrier. > BA offers 31 inches of pitch in economy on 10-hour flights - worse > than Southwest on a 40-minute hop from Dallas to Houston. > > >Comparing European business class seating is not really relevant, as it > >is common for European business class seating to not have much legroom. > >On some carriers it is more about service than bigger seats. > > I find it amusing that European carriers offer worse seats and worse > service in their so called ``business class'' or ``first class'' > or whatever they call it on intra-European flights than Southwest. How often do you get a free cocktail on SW? How about a meal? How about a full refund? js |