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From: Giovanni Drogo on 21 Sep 2006 10:06 On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Martin wrote: > >> >And did they call it ciabatta in italian ? > >> They called/call it Ciabatta in English. > > > >And how is it pronounced ? /tSabatta/ like in italian (I mean, the nexus > >"cia" pronounced "cha" as in "chap") or in some other awkward way ? > > "ch" as in chap: "ia" as in mama m*ia* Not so bad, although the "i" in italian is silent (it's there to indicate "your" ch pronounciation, you'd write chabatta, without an i would be kabatta). > The Dutch sometimes call it slipper bread. :-) Oh good they don't call it pantoffelbrood (babelfish) :-) And by the way a "ciabatta" is not exactly or not only a slipper, we have also the word "pantofola" (apparently similar to Dutch). A "pantofola" maybe more alike to a slipper, in the sense of being a soft sort of shoe used at home only (the word "pantofolaio" is a derogatory term for somebody who likes only to stay at home), usually open in the back and closed in the front, but may be closed also in the back, should be soft inside and such to avoid noise when one walks with it (with slipper one slips, doesn't she ?). A "ciabatta" instead is always without back, and often open on the tip. It might just have an arch of leather where one puts the foot in. Like a sandal with no back. Used at home, but recently there are a sort called "infradito" (lit. inter-finger, with a sort of pin between the big toe and the other ones) which are used also outside, specially on beaches. Plastic "ciabatte" (usually called "ciabattine", diminutive) were in use on beaches even before. An when one walks with ciabatte, one is not silent at all, the back of the ciabatta and the ankle makes squash squash, which is referred to with the verb "ciabattare" The expression "vecchia (old) ciabatta" is a derogatory one used to refer to an old worn and not well cared lady. And a "ciabattino" is (was, almost extinct) a craftsman, a shoe maker or shoe repairer. > Did you see my post about it being invented by Marks and Spencers in > 1982 and that it didn't become really popular until 1985? Yes I did. During that period I'd just left the UK, and was eating "Zuercher Stangen" in Germany. When I came back to Italy we had ciabatte too. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam(a)mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so.
From: Tim C. on 21 Sep 2006 10:58 Following up to Martin <me(a)privacy.net> : >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:33:15 +0200, Tim C. <tim.challenger(a)aon.at> >wrote: > >>>> I make almost >>>>all of my own bread, because I'm tired of the bread I can find in my >>>>town. >>> >>>We make almost all of our bread too, but it doesn't mean that good >>>bread is not available in the Netherlands. >> >>Martin, that's a Mixiherring (tm). > >Colourful but not smoked? Yes, sort of reddish, and definitely not pickled. "Making your own bread because the local stuff is rubbish" does not necessarily lead to "making your own bread means the local stuff is rubbish". As you know ;-) -- Tim C.
From: Tim C. on 21 Sep 2006 11:31 Following up to Martin <me(a)privacy.net> : >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:58:50 +0200, Tim C. <tim.challenger(a)aon.at> >wrote: > >>Following up to Martin <me(a)privacy.net> : >> >>>On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:33:15 +0200, Tim C. <tim.challenger(a)aon.at> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>>> I make almost >>>>>>all of my own bread, because I'm tired of the bread I can find in my >>>>>>town. >>>>> >>>>>We make almost all of our bread too, but it doesn't mean that good >>>>>bread is not available in the Netherlands. >>>> >>>>Martin, that's a Mixiherring (tm). >>> >>>Colourful but not smoked? >> >>Yes, sort of reddish, and definitely not pickled. >> >>"Making your own bread because the local stuff is rubbish" does not >>necessarily lead to "making your own bread means the local stuff is >>rubbish". As you know ;-) > >I'm interested in how Lidl get sour dough bread into their flour. I don't think you *really* want to know what supermarkets do to their food. :( -- Tim C.
From: Giovanni Drogo on 21 Sep 2006 11:38 On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Tim C. wrote: > I don't think you *really* want to know what supermarkets do to their food. > :( When I was leaving in the UK, the girlfriend of the colleague who rented me a room was working at the Milk Marketing Board, and she had terroristic leaflets about how margarine industries made margarine :-() -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam(a)mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so.
From: Jacqueline on 21 Sep 2006 12:00
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:55:09 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:38:43 +0200, Giovanni Drogo ><drogo(a)rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote: > >>On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Tim C. wrote: >> >>> I don't think you *really* want to know what supermarkets do to their food. >>> :( >> >>When I was leaving in the UK, the girlfriend of the colleague who rented >>me a room was working at the Milk Marketing Board, and she had >>terroristic leaflets about how margarine industries made margarine :-() > >I rented a house in SE England for a holiday around the same time and >found it odd that anybody should forget an American military rifle >manual in a kitchen drawer. Long after I read that the IRA had buried >caches of weapons in dustbins in the woods nearby. Martin's new job.....the oldest terrorist in this NG! |