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From: Karen Selwyn on 18 Jul 2006 15:59 Dave Frightens Me wrote: >> >>"The saleswoman gave a few samples to me and Antony." >> >>Care to try again? > > It's wrong. While the above sentence solves the I VS me issue, the sample sentence is still wrong; however, it is wrong for reasons of usage rather than those of grammar. Usage is the conventions of language as agreed to by educated users of the language. Clearly, that's somewhat different from formal rules like subject-verb agreement or pronoun case -- and may change over time. In the sample sentence, the convention is that in a pair of names or a list of names including the speaker, the other name/s preceed the first-person pronoun. Karen Selwyn
From: Dave Frightens Me on 18 Jul 2006 16:08 On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:59:42 -0400, Karen Selwyn <kselwyntacc(a)erols.com> wrote: >Dave Frightens Me wrote: >>> >>>"The saleswoman gave a few samples to me and Antony." >>> >>>Care to try again? >> >> It's wrong. > >While the above sentence solves the I VS me issue, the sample sentence >is still wrong; however, it is wrong for reasons of usage rather than >those of grammar. Usage is the conventions of language as agreed to by >educated users of the language. Clearly, that's somewhat different from >formal rules like subject-verb agreement or pronoun case -- and may >change over time. > >In the sample sentence, the convention is that in a pair of names or a >list of names including the speaker, the other name/s preceed the >first-person pronoun. Whilst it's wrong, it's still acceptable. I try not to structure a sentence like that, it's ok if someone else does it. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- --
From: Dave Frightens Me on 18 Jul 2006 16:09 On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:07:19 +0200, Martin <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:46:13 -0500, barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: > >>In article <8n8qb25ie15q17da34dkgr2v49kcufm9qb(a)4ax.com>, >>mxsmanic(a)gmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote: >> >>> *From:* Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> >>> *Date:* Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:07:02 +0200 >>> >>> Keith W writes: >>> >>> > Just so >>> > >>> > "Anthony and I went to the park" is the correct form , the >>> > time to use 'me' is when some 3rd party actor is mentioned first >>> > as in. "Tom took Anthony and me went to the park" >>> >>> I'm afraid that's not how it works. >>> >>> You use "Anthony and I" when both are subjects of the verb; you use >>> "Anthony and me" when they are both objects of the verb. The examples >>> you give are correct; your explanation of why they are correct is in >>> error. >> >>The easy way to explain it is to take out the "Anthony and" and see if >>what's left sounds wrong. > >The easy way is the way of Mixi. I like easy, but I don't subscribe to Mixi. His life sounds anything but. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- --
From: Mxsmanic on 18 Jul 2006 16:13 barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk writes: > Are you suggesting fluency = correctness? No. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy on 18 Jul 2006 16:19
<barney2(a)cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: > In article <1himbpj.d83quo133gvolN%this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.com>, > this_address_is_for_spam(a)yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the > duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote: [] > > A lot of subsets of 'popular music' are certainly not 100% tonal- e.g. > > electronica. BTW, my electronica transcriptions (Boards of Canada, Aphex > > Twin and Squarepusher) will be in Paris (Cite de la Musique) on October > > 23 this year. > > Will you be wearing your craftsmanship on your sleeve again? I thought > we'd warned you about that... Eh? -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org |