Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
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From: Sancho Panza on 14 Dec 2006 18:12 "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message news:b793o250t8ms10hft428nlob6pm8sthbm6(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:04:42 -0500, "Sancho Panza" > > If the trees are not a religious symbol, why is there > > so much fervor to display them? > > I am not religious, and I display them. Just at Christmas or at other times, too?
From: Sancho Panza on 14 Dec 2006 18:11 <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote in message news:1166124589.018088.181400(a)16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > > Arturo Magidin wrote: > > In article <1166121416.742268.210850(a)73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, > > <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote: > > > > > >Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > >> >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > > >> >> > denouncing anti-Semitism. > > >> >> > > >> >> By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > > >> > > > >> > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > > >> > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the > > >> > eagle is to the US!: > > >> > > > >> > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > > >> > > > >> > I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state > > >> > emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe > > >> > yanks should know who their real masters are. > > >> > > >> That's stupid. > > > > > >Oh? I bet there would be an army of zionist shysters beating down doors > > >if a Muslim Iman insisted on an 8' crescent and moon displayed at US > > >airports on Muslim religious holidays. > > > > > >> Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. > > > > > >So you wouldn't mind an 8' swastika, a symbol used in various current > > >and recognised religions, either then? > > > > The nazi swastika is different from the symbol in eastern religions; > > the fold goes the other way. > > Who said anything about the nazi swastika? And in some eastern > religiouns it can be either way around, not that it matters much to the > perceptive impact. > > > > > >Many of those that know a Menorah is the official emblem of the Israeli > > >government would see it as a symbol of another invasion of territory. > > > > The Hanukyah (Hanukah-menorah) is different from the Menorah in the > > national emblem. Much like the star of David is different from the wiccan 5 > > pointed star. > > > > The Menorah in the national emblem is a seven-branched > > candelabrum. The Hanukyah, by contrast, is a nine-branched > > candelabrum. > > A minor detail. > > > > > > > Not that it is relevant here. > > It is. > > > A rabbi requested permission for putting > > up a Hanukah display alongside the Christmas display. Rather than > > allow it, the airport officials decided opening it up to a second > > religion would force them to open it up to any and all religions, and > > they decided they prefered to remove the Christmas display rather than > > have an open forum. > > I know, that's what this thread is a continuation of from other NGs. Making it crystal clear that one religion should be given preference over all others.
From: Sancho Panza on 14 Dec 2006 18:09 <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote in message news:1166132173.007401.32580(a)l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > Arturo Magidin wrote: > > In article <1166124904.436392.294780(a)f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote: > > > > > >Arturo Magidin wrote: > > >> markzoom(a)digiverse.net wrote: > > >> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > >> > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > > >> > > > denouncing anti-Semitism. > > >> > > > > >> > > By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > > >> > > > >> > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > > >> > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the > > >> > eagle is to the US!: > > >> > > > >> > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > > >> > > >> You are confused. > > >> > > >> The Menorah, the symbol that appears in the official seal of the state > > >> of Israel, is a seven-arm candelabra; the Hanukiyah, the "Hanuka > > >> menorah" has a different number of arms. They are different emblems, > > >> just like the Star of David is different from the Wiccan five-pointed > > >> star. > > > > > >A minor detail, just like people will first think "nazi" when they see > > >a swastika, no matter which way round it is. > > > > If that is your "argument" with regards to this, then you have just > > shot yourself in the foot. > > Not at all. > > > > > The vast majority of americans identify the candelabrum (7- or > > 9-branched) with Hanukah, not with the state of Israel. They call both > > "menorah" (the former correclty, the latter incorrectly), and usually > > misidentify a 7 branched candelabrum as a Hanukyah and think > > "Hanukah". Few are aware of the difference, and the overwhelming > > association is that of the holiday, not the political association > > (exactly the opposite of the shubhtika, where most people will > > misidentify it as political rather than religious). In any case, you > > claimed that the 9-branch candelabrum ->is<- the "national emblem of > > the "State" of Israel". And that is, quite simply, false. Explain it > > away all you want now, you were still wrong. > > Liar. > I never specified the amount of bloody candles of any menorah, so I am > not wrong about any number. > It's a menorah wether it's got seven or nine candles. How about 5 or 11 or 13 or 25?
From: Sancho Panza on 14 Dec 2006 18:15 "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message news:m573o21998r14k7m3t5k4oa8jrc0dsqc97(a)4ax.com... > "James A. Donald" > > > By "you guys" I mean everyone that gets so enraged > > > by the symbols of Christianity that they cannot even > > > stand symbols that are associated with the symbols > > > of Christianity - I mean commies, militant Jews, > > > radical islamists, Gaia worshippers, the usual. > > > Hindus, animists and ancestor worshippers somehow > > > never have this problem. > > "Sancho Panza" > > But you are saying in posts right around this one that > > it is not a religious symbol. > > It is not a religious symbol. It is something that > reminds you guys of a religious symbol - as I said, a > symbol of a symbol. You see the tree and think about > mangers. Not only is the theology contorted, now the geography and botany are, too. Douglas firs and spruces in Bethlehem, suuurrreee.
From: PTravel on 14 Dec 2006 18:38
"James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message news:v622o2tj3c41ot7vdvffj2ht4nv4nrkgd5(a)4ax.com... > flaviaR(a)verizon.net >> Your insistence that "Christmas is now secular and >> erveyone must celebrate it or be considered a bigot >> [the upshot of your "only those with a grudge against >> it don;t celebrate it" post] " is not only insanely >> fascist and bigoted, but just not logical. > > No one must celebrate it, but any one who not only does > not celebrate it, but gets upset and offended by other > people celebrating it, is indeed a bigot. I agree. I haven't heard anyone get upset or offended by anyone celebrating Christmas. The concern in Seattle was using government funds, i.e. tax dollars paid into the general fund, to pay for it -- particularly to the exclusion of all other "secular" holidays that are grounded in a specific religion's tradition. So, who do you know that is upset and offended by anyone celebrating Christmas? > > -- > ---------------------- > We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because > of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this > right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. > > http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |