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From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on 16 Jul 2006 15:44 Mxsmanic wrote: > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes: > > >>I understand enough of the words to see the beauty of the >>whole, but not enough to put it into English. That's why my >>"comprehension" is inadequate. (Dolt!) > > > In other words, someone told you it is pretty, you don't wish to > disagree, so you imagine beauty where you don't actually see it. That is NOT what I said! (Not even close!) Since none of my acquaintances speak French (another reason mine is "inadequate"), no one "told" me anything. I am, however, quite capable of seeing the beauty of poetic phrases in French, even though I cannot translate them into English. (SFAIK, people really fluent in another language do not mentally translate printed material into their own in order to comprehend it, either.) > This > is called conditioning. One sees it a lot in the arts, where people > will refuse to admit that they see nothing of interest in a painting, > concert, sculpture, opera, etc., simply because they're afraid that > they've missed something and might look stupid if they confess that > they don't see what's so special. Don't read your own reactions into those of other people! Some of us really DO see things "of interest" where you do not. IMO, it is YOU who are the philistine - you're so damned contrary you'd not admit to seeing beauty in an artistic endeavor even if you do! (It must be terrible to live in the emotionally and artistically sterile world you apparently inhabit - my condolences.) >
From: David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy on 16 Jul 2006 16:07 EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Mxsmanic wrote: [] > > This > > is called conditioning. One sees it a lot in the arts, where people > > will refuse to admit that they see nothing of interest in a painting, > > concert, sculpture, opera, etc., simply because they're afraid that > > they've missed something and might look stupid if they confess that > > they don't see what's so special. > > Don't read your own reactions into those of other people! > Some of us really DO see things "of interest" where you do > not. IMO, it is YOU who are the philistine - you're so > damned contrary you'd not admit to seeing beauty in an > artistic endeavor even if you do! (It must be terrible to > live in the emotionally and artistically sterile world you > apparently inhabit - my condolences.) You go, girl! :) -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on 16 Jul 2006 15:56 Dave Frightens Me wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:44 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgmsop(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > >> >>Stanislas de Kertanguy wrote: >> >> >>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and >>>prestwich tesco 24h offy avait ?nonc? : >>> >>> >>>> but I'd almost pay to read Mixi's translation of any French >>>>poem. >>> >>> >>>That very poem is _very_ hard to translate (Char plays so much with >>>words that the result in English will only be a pale mock-up of the >>>original). However I am currently giving it a try, but that will only >>>render the main ideas of the poem. >>> >> >>....Whereas the most important element of any poetry is the >>precision of the words used! > > > I wouldn't say the precision of words is important at all. It's all > about the ability to invoke a feeling in the reader. Even idiots can > manage that, and it makes good poetry. Perhaps we are using different words for the same quality. Because poets work with words, they must know the exact words that will invoke the feeling they intend to call forth - you call it "ability" I call it "precision", but I think we're talking about the same thing. (The words may be simple or complex, it's how they're put together, and how they affect the reader, that matters.)
From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on 16 Jul 2006 16:06 Mxsmanic wrote: > David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and > prestwich tesco 24h offy writes: > > >>What an utter creep you can be sometimes. > > > In other words, you disagree. No, you really CAN be "an utter creep". (I suspect that might be the consensus of opinion, here on rte!) >
From: EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) on 16 Jul 2006 16:04
Dave Frightens Me wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:55:00 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes: >> >> >>>I understand enough of the words to see the beauty of the >>>whole, but not enough to put it into English. That's why my >>>"comprehension" is inadequate. (Dolt!) >> >>In other words, someone told you it is pretty, you don't wish to >>disagree, so you imagine beauty where you don't actually see it. This >>is called conditioning. One sees it a lot in the arts, where people >>will refuse to admit that they see nothing of interest in a painting, >>concert, sculpture, opera, etc., simply because they're afraid that >>they've missed something and might look stupid if they confess that >>they don't see what's so special. > > > In this case, Mixi speaketh the truth. As a generality, perhaps. On a personal level, not at all! (First of all, no one "told" me anything about the poetry in question - the poet's name is not known to me - and the word I used to describe the quotation was "beautiful" nothing so insipid as "pretty".) No one who knows me has ever accused me of not saying exactly what I think in matters artistic - and my opinions are frequently NOT those generally held! (I am a person of strong opinions, and do not always express them as tactfully as I might.) |