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From: Arturo Magidin on 14 Dec 2006 13:41 markzoom(a)digiverse.net wrote: > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > > > > >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > > > > > > > > > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > > > denouncing anti-Semitism. > > > > By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the > eagle is to the US!: > > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp You are confused. The Menorah, the symbol that appears in the official seal of the state of Israel, is a seven-arm candelabra; the Hanukiyah, the "Hanuka menorah" has a different number of arms. They are different emblems, just like the Star of David is different from the Wiccan five-pointed star. Arturo Magidin
From: Arturo Magidin on 14 Dec 2006 13:45 In article <1166121416.742268.210850(a)73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote: > >Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: >> >> > >> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and >> >> > denouncing anti-Semitism. >> >> >> >> By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? >> > >> > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. >> > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the >> > eagle is to the US!: >> > >> > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp >> > >> > I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state >> > emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe >> > yanks should know who their real masters are. >> >> That's stupid. > >Oh? I bet there would be an army of zionist shysters beating down doors >if a Muslim Iman insisted on an 8' crescent and moon displayed at US >airports on Muslim religious holidays. > >> Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. > >So you wouldn't mind an 8' swastika, a symbol used in various current >and recognised religions, either then? The nazi swastika is different from the symbol in eastern religions; the fold goes the other way. >Many of those that know a Menorah is the official emblem of the Israeli >government would see it as a symbol of another invasion of territory. The Hanukyah (Hanukah-menorah) is different from the Menorah in the national emblem. Much like the star of David is different from the wiccan 5 pointed star. The Menorah in the national emblem is a seven-branched candelabrum. The Hanukyah, by contrast, is a nine-branched candelabrum. Not that it is relevant here. A rabbi requested permission for putting up a Hanukah display alongside the Christmas display. Rather than allow it, the airport officials decided opening it up to a second religion would force them to open it up to any and all religions, and they decided they prefered to remove the Christmas display rather than have an open forum. -- ====================================================================== "It's not denial. I'm just very selective about what I accept as reality." --- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes" by Bill Watterson) ====================================================================== Arturo Magidin magidin-at-member-ams-org
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 13:46 James A. Donald: > > But Xmastime is the time of the return of the sun - > > it follows the shortest day of the year. Nothing > > directly to do, except symbolically, with the birth > > of that notorious Jewish heretic that you seem to be > > so remarkably upset by. Mike Hunt > That is the point. It is symbolically linked to the > birth of Christ, hence the name of the holiday. But then, your basic grievance, or flavia's basic grievance, is having a holiday on christmas, hence the impossibility of appeasing the lawsuit mongers by any lesser measure. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 13:55 "James A. Donald" > > By "you guys" I mean everyone that gets so enraged > > by the symbols of Christianity that they cannot even > > stand symbols that are associated with the symbols > > of Christianity - I mean commies, militant Jews, > > radical islamists, Gaia worshippers, the usual. > > Hindus, animists and ancestor worshippers somehow > > never have this problem. "Sancho Panza" > But you are saying in posts right around this one that > it is not a religious symbol. It is not a religious symbol. It is something that reminds you guys of a religious symbol - as I said, a symbol of a symbol. You see the tree and think about mangers. The fact that you are taking offense shows that no concessions whatever can ever stop you from being offended. The manger is not there because we already had this thing - people tried putting up a manger *and* a menorah, and just got a longer queue of people threatening lawsuits and engaging in lawsuits. So they gave up on mangers. Now it is happening all over again with any indications of Christmas whatsoever. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 14:10
-- "James A. Donald" > > any one who not only does not celebrate it, but gets > > upset and offended by other people celebrating it, > > is indeed a bigot. "Sancho Panza" > You would no doubt celebrate even more imams and > others taking out their prayer rugs and doing their > thing in the middle of a public place that you are > using. There was no manger at the airport, nor any prayer. The airport Christmas was carefully sanitized of anything with the slightest connection to Christianity. The fact that the threats of lawsuits continue shows that you guys are entirely unappeasable, that no concession will suffice, that any concession merely strengthens demands for further concessions. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |