Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
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From: constantinopoli on 14 Dec 2006 12:57 Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments > rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something > really absurd like airport security... That attitude could help explain why socialist countries have such a reputation for being ugly, spirit-killing places.
From: constantinopoli on 14 Dec 2006 13:12 Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > > >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > > > > > > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > > denouncing anti-Semitism. > > By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? If there's a choice between displaying all religions and displaying none - and that was ultimately the choice - then the better option is to display none. Christmas trees are nonreligious as all obvious traces of Christianity are removed (a nativity scene would constitute an obvious Christian element). Christmas is in fact a federal holiday and therefore secular (since the federal state is secular), and so to celebrate Christmas is not, by itself, to celebrate Christianity. Of course a display that refers not only to Christmas but also to Christ is not secular. Thus Santa is secular and Christmas trees are secular, but the nativity scene is not secular. However, if it is tragically and incorrectly decided in the courts that to display Christmas trees is to endorse Christianity, then Christmas trees should be removed rather than overtly religious displays such as menorahs, nativity scenes, and the like, added. None of this harms Israel or endorses anti-semitism, so it is orthogonal to the question of whether Christians defend Israel and denounce anti-semitism.
From: Sancho Panza on 14 Dec 2006 13:28 <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote in message news:1166114830.408066.122340(a)79g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > Anarcissie wrote: >> Sancho Panza wrote: >> > "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message >> > news:ur32o2pml2l2q7o6jrp89rmg02ebd0octs(a)4ax.com... >> > > "brique" >> > >> Nobody was 'sueing against the display of trees'. a >> > >> rabbi threatened to sue if the airport did not also >> > >> display symbols of his religion alongside the trees. >> > > >> > > But they were displaying trees, and not a manger, >> > > because the manger is a symbol of the Christian >> > > religion, and the trees are not. >> > >> > If the trees are not a religious symbol, why is there so much fervor to >> > display them? >> >> Yes, that's the question. Why is it so important? > > It's a tradition for most people. What makes you think everything has > to have religious connotations? > The menorah is a political symbol too, like the swastika: > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp It's not the same candleabrum.
From: Sancho Panza on 14 Dec 2006 13:29 <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote in message news:1166114525.462528.181520(a)16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > > Sancho Panza wrote: >> "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote in message >> news:1q22o2tk6mvuj1rse31hh73mn9h6q2pc04(a)4ax.com... >> > "James A. Donald" >> >> > But you guys are trying to suppress even the secular >> >> > aspects of Christmas - you were suing against the >> >> > display of Christmas trees, not the display of >> >> > stables and mangers. You are suing against the >> >> > stuff that people see in Singapore >> > >> > "Sancho Panza" >> >> Pretty fast on the trigger with "you guys." Just what >> >> guys do you mean? >> > >> > By "you guys" I mean everyone that gets so enraged by >> > the symbols of Christianity that they cannot even stand >> > symbols that are associated with the symbols of >> > Christianity - I mean commies, militant Jews, radical >> > islamists, Gaia worshippers, the usual. Hindus, >> > animists and ancestor worshippers somehow never have >> > this problem. >> >> But you are saying in posts right around this one that it is not a >> religious >> symbol. Which is it, religious or not? If it's a symbol of Christianity, >> as >> you say here, why should other faiths not be similarly represented? > > What it actually is is the national icon for the "state" of Israel: > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > > So, It's a political symbol for start. Actually the one you cite is not the one for Hanukah.
From: markzoom on 14 Dec 2006 13:36
Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: > > > > > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > >> > >> >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > >> > > >> > > >> > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > >> > denouncing anti-Semitism. > >> > >> By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > > > > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the > > eagle is to the US!: > > > > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > > > > I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state > > emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe > > yanks should know who their real masters are. > > That's stupid. Oh? I bet there would be an army of zionist shysters beating down doors if a Muslim Iman insisted on an 8' crescent and moon displayed at US airports on Muslim religious holidays. > Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. So you wouldn't mind an 8' swastika, a symbol used in various current and recognised religions, either then? Many of those that know a Menorah is the official emblem of the Israeli government would see it as a symbol of another invasion of territory. > Here, many regard it as a religious symbol. In the US, only less than 2% do. Did you know that there are just as many muslims as jews in the US, btw? > If we're going to let one > religious symbol be displayed on public property at public expense, we > should let all of them be displayed. You'll find that many places won't display anything at all instead of being forced to incur the expense of purchasing and managing the displays of dozens of minority religions on their festivals year round. In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too.... and a blow to freedom. > > -- > Mark K. Bilbo > ------------------------------------------------------------ > There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels. |