Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
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From: Anarcissie on 14 Dec 2006 14:14 James A. Donald wrote: > "James A. Donald" > > > By "you guys" I mean everyone that gets so enraged > > > by the symbols of Christianity that they cannot even > > > stand symbols that are associated with the symbols > > > of Christianity - I mean commies, militant Jews, > > > radical islamists, Gaia worshippers, the usual. > > > Hindus, animists and ancestor worshippers somehow > > > never have this problem. > > "Sancho Panza" > > But you are saying in posts right around this one that > > it is not a religious symbol. > > It is not a religious symbol. It is something that > reminds you guys of a religious symbol - as I said, a > symbol of a symbol. You see the tree and think about > mangers. The fact that you are taking offense shows > that no concessions whatever can ever stop you from > being offended. > > The manger is not there because we already had this > thing - people tried putting up a manger *and* a > menorah, and just got a longer queue of people > threatening lawsuits and engaging in lawsuits. So they > gave up on mangers. Now it is happening all over again > with any indications of Christmas whatsoever. Apparently a lot of Christians are under the impression that Christmas trees and Santa Claus are Christian symbols, in spite of their obvious paganism. I suppose this irks people who find state-sponsored religious displays offensive. I myself don't really care about the religion part, I just find them banal. In fact, they'd be less banal if more religion were involved. Of course there is not an impermeable barrier between religious and non-religious Winter Solstice symbols and practices. For instance, some Christians have been noticed adopting the menorah, just as they lifted Santa Claus and the Christmas tree from the pagans. Holidays of enforced jollity are all part of living a life of quiet desperation. As the great Quentin Crisp said, "When people are happy there is no need for festivities."
From: James A. Donald on 14 Dec 2006 14:25 On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:04:42 -0500, "Sancho Panza" > If the trees are not a religious symbol, why is there > so much fervor to display them? I am not religious, and I display them. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
From: markzoom on 14 Dec 2006 14:29 Arturo Magidin wrote: > In article <1166121416.742268.210850(a)73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, > <markzoom(a)digiverse.net> wrote: > > > >Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > >> >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > >> >> > denouncing anti-Semitism. > >> >> > >> >> By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > >> > > >> > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > >> > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the > >> > eagle is to the US!: > >> > > >> > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > >> > > >> > I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state > >> > emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe > >> > yanks should know who their real masters are. > >> > >> That's stupid. > > > >Oh? I bet there would be an army of zionist shysters beating down doors > >if a Muslim Iman insisted on an 8' crescent and moon displayed at US > >airports on Muslim religious holidays. > > > >> Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. > > > >So you wouldn't mind an 8' swastika, a symbol used in various current > >and recognised religions, either then? > > The nazi swastika is different from the symbol in eastern religions; > the fold goes the other way. Who said anything about the nazi swastika? And in some eastern religiouns it can be either way around, not that it matters much to the perceptive impact. > > >Many of those that know a Menorah is the official emblem of the Israeli > >government would see it as a symbol of another invasion of territory. > > The Hanukyah (Hanukah-menorah) is different from the Menorah in the > national emblem. Much like the star of David is different from the wiccan 5 > pointed star. > > The Menorah in the national emblem is a seven-branched > candelabrum. The Hanukyah, by contrast, is a nine-branched > candelabrum. A minor detail. > > > Not that it is relevant here. It is. > A rabbi requested permission for putting > up a Hanukah display alongside the Christmas display. Rather than > allow it, the airport officials decided opening it up to a second > religion would force them to open it up to any and all religions, and > they decided they prefered to remove the Christmas display rather than > have an open forum. I know, that's what this thread is a continuation of from other NGs. > > -- > ====================================================================== > "It's not denial. I'm just very selective about > what I accept as reality." > --- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes" by Bill Watterson) > ====================================================================== > > Arturo Magidin > magidin-at-member-ams-org
From: markzoom on 14 Dec 2006 14:35 Arturo Magidin wrote: > markzoom(a)digiverse.net wrote: > > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: > > > > > > >> Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and > > > > denouncing anti-Semitism. > > > > > > By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? > > > > It's not just some kind of festive decoration. > > The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the > > eagle is to the US!: > > > > http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp > > You are confused. > > The Menorah, the symbol that appears in the official seal of the state > of Israel, is a seven-arm candelabra; the Hanukiyah, the "Hanuka > menorah" has a different number of arms. They are different emblems, > just like the Star of David is different from the Wiccan five-pointed > star. A minor detail, just like people will first think "nazi" when they see a swastika, no matter which way round it is. > > Arturo Magidin
From: Constantinople on 14 Dec 2006 14:35
Anarcissie wrote: > Holidays of enforced jollity are all part of living a life of > quiet desperation. As the great Quentin Crisp said, > "When people are happy there is no need for festivities." Witty, but as a serious statement about societies, incorrect and perverse. |